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VANDOO 27th January 2011 05:07 AM

SUMATRA TAPAK KUDA HILT FORMS
 
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I SELDOM POST HERE BECAUSE OF LACK OF KNOWLEGE OF THE KERIS COMPARED TO MANY OTHERS. I DO HAVE A LOT OF PICTURES OF STRANGE AND UNUSUAL KERIS AND HANDLES SO THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE A FEW. I THOUGHT I WOULD DEVOTE THIS POST TO HANDLES ONLY FROM SUMATRA.
THESE TWO WERE IDENTIFIED AS "TAPAK KUDA" (HORSE FOOT) FROM SUMATRA. ITS HARD TO TELL FROM THE PICTURES BUT THEY APPEAR TO BE MADE OF HORN :confused: . I HOPE I DO NOT POST PICTURES OF KERIS ALREADY POSTED ON THIS FORUM OR COVER GROUND THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN TROD. COMMENTS WELCOME AND FEEL FREE TO ADD PICTURES OF EXAMPLES ,ENJOY :)

Sajen 27th January 2011 02:54 PM

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Hello Vandoo,

nice handles. Most of the time they are mounted on keris panjang. Here two from my collection, both are from horn.

Regards,

Detlef

VVV 27th January 2011 04:03 PM

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Great idea for an interesting reference thread.
But maybe we should limit it to only tapak kuda?
Here are mine.

Michael

sirek 27th January 2011 05:32 PM

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warangka and hilt from horn.

Sajen 27th January 2011 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV
Great idea for an interesting reference thread.
But maybe we should limit it to only tapak kuda?
Here are mine.

Michael

The limit to tapak kuda is a very good idea.
BTW, the first four handles from you are very nice! :) Ups, now the order is different at soon! I mean the carved ones.

Regards,

Detlef

BluErf 28th January 2011 05:45 AM

Though these hilts are called tapak kuda in many parts of the keris world, the ultimate representation is probably a man with his head bowed. Some examples are clearer than others.

Newsteel 29th January 2011 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by VVV
Great idea for an interesting reference thread.
But maybe we should limit it to only tapak kuda?
Here are mine.

Michael


The top hilt, tapak kuda with makara form???? I think its unique....

BluErf 29th January 2011 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Newsteel
The top hilt, tapak kuda with makara form???? I think its unique....

Interesting observation. Yes, I see it especially in this example you referred to.

Michael's last panjang is a N. Malay panjang with a nice hilt. I have a similar one.

kulbuntet 30th January 2011 04:18 AM

Something diffrent, but stil Sumatra panjang,
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2329/img1079kt.jpg

kulbuntet 30th January 2011 04:25 AM

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Xf_OlM8P4GA/SJ...nka-ukiran.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Xf_OlM8P4GA/SJ...nka-ukiran.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Xf_OlM8P4GA/SJ...nka-ukiran.JPG

David 30th January 2011 06:38 AM

These last offerings are not tapak kuda form... :confused:

Newsteel 30th January 2011 01:14 PM

Thanks Kai Wee, that is very nice. Should come and 'audit' your private arsenal some day :D

The first pic posted by kulbuntet s totally of different form. It's not the typical tapak kuda form, probably this form is from Indragiri Riau?

kulbuntet 30th January 2011 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by David
These last offerings are not tapak kuda form... :confused:

Yep, but are Sumatran, so on topic..:P

Sajen 30th January 2011 04:39 PM

Read post #3! :)

Best regards,

Detlef

David 30th January 2011 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kulbuntet
Yep, but are Sumatran, so on topic..:P

Actually Kulbuntet, i believe that if you read the beginning posts it was decided early on to dedicate this thread to the Tapak Kuda form, so stick your tongue back in your mouth son... ;) :)

Rick 30th January 2011 06:12 PM

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NT

BluErf 31st January 2011 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Newsteel
Thanks Kai Wee, that is very nice. Should come and 'audit' your private arsenal some day :D

After the audit, do I have to file 'tax returns'? ;p

BluErf 31st January 2011 07:34 AM

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Rick's example - I have a similar one too. It's on a panjang which is probably from the more Northern areas of Sumatra. However, it is so simple that I'm not sure if it could be a generic form and not attributable to any region in Sumatra.

VVV 31st January 2011 03:40 PM

Nice hilts!

The last ones seems to be related to my green hilt, the one Detlef didn't like ;)
I agree with Kai Wee that it looks like a hidden man.

Michael

Sajen 31st January 2011 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by VVV
Nice hilts!

The last ones seems to be related to my green hilt, the one Detlef didn't like ;)
I agree with Kai Wee that it looks like a hidden man.

Michael


:D :D I am sure you understand me correct! ;)

VANDOO 31st January 2011 05:32 PM

ARE THE MORE ORNATELY CARVED KERIS HANDLES IN THIS FORM USUALLY FOUND ON WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS EXECUTIONERS KERIS?? MOST I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN HAVE BEEN ON THE EXECUTIONERS KERIS. IS THE LONG EXECUTIONERS FORM OF KERIS MORE COMMON IN SUMATRA THAN IN OTHER PLACES OR IS THE FORM WIDESPREAD.??

David 31st January 2011 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO
ARE THE MORE ORNATELY CARVED KERIS HANDLES IN THIS FORM USUALLY FOUND ON WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS EXECUTIONERS KERIS?? MOST I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN HAVE BEEN ON THE EXECUTIONERS KERIS. IS THE LONG EXECUTIONERS FORM OF KERIS MORE COMMON IN SUMATRA THAN IN OTHER PLACES OR IS THE FORM WIDESPREAD.??

I must say that i'm not particularly fond of the term "executioners" keris because it's pretty misrepresentative of the form. Not the keris panjang were never used in executions, but i do not believe it is the purpose of the form.

BluErf 1st February 2011 04:46 AM

I think the long form of the hilt for keris panjang is a matter of aesthetic balance. Given the long batang, it needs to be balanced by a tall hilt. Also, many keris panjang have long peksi, so you'd need a tall hilt to accommodate that.


Hi Michael,

What green hilt? I don't see any green hilt in this post. :)

GIO 1st February 2011 06:19 PM

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Some more examples of tapak kuda hilts.
All horn, except one in (I suppose) marine ivory.

VANDOO 2nd February 2011 08:51 PM

WITH MY LACK OF KNOWLEGE IN KERIS AND ESPECIALLY THOSE FROM SUMATRA I STARTED THE POST TO INCLUDE ALL FORMS FROM SUMATRA.
THOSE WITH MORE KNOWLEGE SUGGESTED RESTRICTING IT TO THIS ONE FORM. I AGREED WITH THIS AS THE POST MAY HAVE BECOME TOO CUMBERSOME IF EVERYTHING WAS INCLUDED. I DIDN'T REALIZE THE LARGE VARITY WITHIN THE FORM.
SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF EASY REFRENCE LISTING DIFFERENT FORMS SEPARATELY WOULD MAKE THEM MORE EASILY ACCESABLE AS WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO THRU EVERYTHING TO FIND WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
SO I HAVE CHANGED THIS POSTS TITLE TO AVOID CONFUSION AND FOCUS ONLY ON THIS FORM. SO A SEARCH FOR TAPAK KUDA SHOULD BRING THIS INFORMATION UP. I AT LEAST HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING FROM THIS POST AS WELL AS THE POST ON BIRD FORMS SO KEEP EXAMPLES OF THIS FORM COMING :D .
PERHAPS SOMEONE CAN START A POST ON SOME OTHER SUMATRA FORM AND AFTER WE COVER SUMATRA PERHAPS WE CAN MOVE ON TO JAVA, BALI AND MALAYSIA. :)

Sajen 2nd February 2011 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO
PERHAPS SOMEONE CAN START A POST ON SOME OTHER SUMATRA FORM AND AFTER WE COVER SUMATRA PERHAPS WE CAN MOVE ON TO JAVA, BALI AND MALAYSIA. :)

Hi Barry,

interesting target but very big projekt! :) ;)

Maybe at weekend I start with jawa deman hilts from Sumatra.

Regards,

Detlef


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