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asomotif 29th April 2020 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by alex8765
Miniature Japanese Boy's Day tachi, 29 centimeters long.

Nice :)

any age indication ?

alex8765 29th April 2020 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by asomotif
Nice :)

any age indication ?


Possibly Shinshinto or Meiji period.

DhaDha 1st May 2020 03:16 PM

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I've always liked these mini-Dhas. Great detail.

kino 2nd May 2020 07:14 PM

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Saw this last year at the Eugene OR knife show. I was told that it took a lot of hours to complete each one. The Panabas is great.

Sajen 2nd May 2020 11:03 PM

Wow, a lot of intersting miniatures to seen in this thread!

corrado26 7th May 2020 02:34 PM

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This miniature khukri I got this morning. Its blade is made of brass, the sheeth is wood with a leather coat. Total length with scabbard is 145mm, length of blade is 78mm

ALEX 8th May 2020 04:28 PM

Small Uzbek Knifes
 
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Small/mini Uzbek knifes, some are souvenirs but made just like real ones and of the same material and quality.

asomotif 8th May 2020 09:04 PM

slightly off topic, nice pictures with the "sharpie" markers :D intentional ? ;)

naturalist 19th June 2020 03:45 PM

Most likely Sundanese (people of West Java) Pisau Raut (Carving knife)
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Originally Posted by russel
Here is another one from my collection. 12.5cm overall, 6.5cm blade. Well made and VERY sharp. I'm am not sure what this should be called.


Gonzoadler 11th July 2020 07:21 PM

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I want to show some miniature blades, too.

At first a small katana made of bone.
Length overall: 19,5cm
without scabbard: 16,5cm

Gonzoadler 11th July 2020 07:30 PM

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Number two: a miniature Koummya.
Length overall: 9cm
Without scabbard: 8cm

Gonzoadler 11th July 2020 07:39 PM

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Number three:
A miniature Kris, blade and scabbard are made of silver.
Is anyone here who is able to read the hallmarks?
Length overall: 20,5cm
Without scabbard: 19,5cm

Ian 11th July 2020 11:31 PM

Hi Gonzoadler. Unusual shaped blade on your second example.

Duccio 22nd July 2020 03:27 PM

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Health to all.
In the photo below you see three Byongi (parade knives of the Konda people, R.D.C.) of normal size and one of small size (18 cm), and then the mini knife alone.

Duccio 22nd July 2020 03:30 PM

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Here instead we see an akrafena (Akan people, Ivory Coast) of normal size and a tiny one.

Duccio 22nd July 2020 03:32 PM

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and, finally, a "homeopathic" keris (13 cm).

Mickey the Finn 9th August 2020 10:28 PM

Mr. Osobist, I was about to ask if you're an Afghanistan veteran, but then I noticed that some people collect matchboxes. I used to collect cigarette packages when I was a kid. Then I switched to tarot cards and other things.
Mr. Sajen, มีดหมอ is perhaps the Thai word commonly used to refer to such articles. I find it transliterated as "meed mor". The transliteration into Latin letters may or may not accurately reflect the actual pronunciation. I find the word translated variously, on assorted webpages, as "knife", "lancet", "doctor's knife", "exorcist's knife", or "sorcerer's magic knife". The richness of the nuances of meaning can be lost in translation. A few of the problems with translations are: they may be a "rough and ready", improvised, or ad hoc solution intended to convey the "general idea", Mickey Moused up by a non-linguistically inclined layman who, in addition, is no "gunpowder inventor". Certain subtitled movies sometimes illustrate this; movies with the original audio of the dialogue dubbed over are even better, and so much worse.
The "word-for-word" translation is, in some languages, an impossibility. In those instances where it can be pulled off, the end result in the target language sometimes reads like a wooden shoe that's too small.
Unless it's explicitly stated, I'm left guessing as to whether the intent was to translate as literally as possible, to convey the meaning of an idiomatic expression in the source language, to interpret, or some ad hoc/ improvised/ variable/ combination/ "play it by ear"/ "fly by the seat of the pants" method.
How does one convey the meaning of "mumbo jumbo" into Swahili? Is "hoc est corpus" an accurate translation into Latin of "hocus pocus? Is "abracadabra" a good interpretation into English of "sim sala bim", or would it be best to leave it untranslated? Should "alakazam" be translated to "sim sala bim" if German is the target language? If I don't know the source language of a word (it's not necessarily the same as the language of origin of the word), translation or interpretation of "nostrum" or "patrem" are shots in the dark. "Sama suku" from Bahasa Indonesia to Finnish and vice versa is the only example which comes to mind that doesn't present very much of a conundrum.
I think I recall that Bambang Harsrinuksmo in "Ensiklopedi Keris" gave specific measurements which enabled one to distinguish a patrem from a "keris proper/ standard keris", and a patrem from a keris jimat.
The really tiny ones (<8cm. or so) appear to be made of brass and/or (I'm guessing) some other kind of copper alloy which can be patinated almost black.. I doubt very much that it's swasa, or any other alloy containing Au or Ag, though I could be wrong.
Pics can be found by Googling "keris jimat". Does anyone know what metals are used to make these, and the technique used to achieve the contrast in colours?

Sajen 30th October 2021 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif (Post 250639)
My miniature jimpul.

A very similar one in the same size. The hair in up from the handle is missing. Same workshop?

Sajen 30th October 2021 02:40 PM

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Comparison

asomotif 31st October 2021 11:51 PM

Yes, this must be the same workshop.

ariel 1st November 2021 04:48 AM

European agents of serious swordmaking companies used to carry miniature copies of the real wares in their traveling cases. Prospective buyers could pick and choose. But dating them to the 1960s seems to exclude this possibility. The Bebut ( curved bladed kindjal) from the Osobist's collection carries a niello inscription on the scabbard "Kavkaz" written in the old Russian style: a local souvenir. I guess that the mini Nihonto examples were also souvenirs.
There is a Polish book of a Kris collector ( I vaguely remember he might have been an ambassador to Indonesia). His most important item was a very miniature Kris, gifted to him by Sukarno.
What was the purpose of the rest of Indonesian, Thai and Philippine mini daggers is a mystery to me. They would not have any practical value as self-defense weapons, so souvenirs is the first thing that comes into my mind.

Sajen 1st November 2021 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel (Post 267352)
There is a Polish book of a Kris collector ( I vaguely remember he might have been an ambassador to Indonesia). His most important item was a very miniature Kris, gifted to him by Sukarno.
What was the purpose of the rest of Indonesian, Thai and Philippine mini daggers is a mystery to me. They would not have any practical value as self-defense weapons, so souvenirs is the first thing that comes into my mind.

Hello Ariel,

Small keris like the one shown in post #1 this thread are jimats.
I don't think it's easy like this, some of the ones from me showed SEA items have a practical value, but by others like the gunong I would agree.
The two mini swords from Willem and me are collector items, I hesitate to call them souvenirs.

Regards,
Detlef

asomotif 1st November 2021 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen (Post 267358)
The two mini swords from Willem and me are collector items, I hesitate to call them souvenirs.

Regards,
Detlef

:D:D:D

I have no problem calling my miniature jimpul a souvernir.
It is to small to be used as anything. Not even as letter opener.

kai 2nd November 2021 08:20 AM

These certainly were not cheap(ly made) souvenirs. However, they had no place in the originating cultures and were specifically made for selling to colonial "guests" - so, high-end souvenir might well be a reasonable description...

There are also those tiny jewellery blades, usually from silver and often made as brooches.

Regards,
Kai

Sajen 3rd November 2021 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by asomotif (Post 267381)
:D:D:D

I have no problem calling my miniature jimpul a souvernir.
It is to small to be used as anything. Not even as letter opener.

I am also not, but since they are worked from silver they are somewhat expensive souvenirs and special for collectors. ;):D

ariel 3rd November 2021 01:21 PM

I checked the internet.
Price of Sterling Silver ( 92.5%) is $20.11 per ounce or $0.71 per gram.
A McDonalds burger with small fries would cost more than the entire silver-cladding of a miniature kindjal ( scabbard and handle).

asomotif 3rd November 2021 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel (Post 267430)
I checked the internet.
Price of Sterling Silver ( 92.5%) is $20.11 per ounce or $0.71 per gram.
A McDonalds burger with small fries would cost more than the entire silver-cladding of a miniature kindjal ( scabbard and handle).

I prefer the silver miniatures, and not just because they are cheaper. :D

Sajen 7th November 2021 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel (Post 267430)
I checked the internet.
Price of Sterling Silver ( 92.5%) is $20.11 per ounce or $0.71 per gram.
A McDonalds burger with small fries would cost more than the entire silver-cladding of a miniature kindjal ( scabbard and handle).

Hi Ariel,

Like Willem I prefer the silver miniatures! :D And don't forget that some work is involved to make such a miniature.

Regards,
Detlef

JeffS 25th March 2022 06:01 AM

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I recently received this cute little guy, a bit over 7" in scabbard. The blade is actually sharp and has a nice profile and distal taper. Would this be a Thai style daarb? Shown next to another miniature similar to ones already posted in this thread.

Royston 26th March 2022 12:40 PM

Some minatures
 
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Here are a few more.
No idea what the two small silver ones were made for, they look like broaches but have not got clasps on them and are too small to be effective letter openers. The Cocos Keeling is the smallest I have seen.
Roy

Ian 26th March 2022 02:13 PM

Can we have a definition of what is a "miniature?" How much does it need to be scaled down to qualify?

Ian 26th March 2022 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel (Post 267352)
... What was the purpose of the rest of Indonesian, Thai and Philippine mini daggers is a mystery to me. They would not have any practical value as self-defense weapons, so souvenirs is the first thing that comes into my mind.

Ariel, a lot of the small Thai knives are spiritual talismans called meed mor, but often referred to as "priest knives" in the older European literature. The composition of the knives and the religious blessings they receive have significance in the culture of origin.

asomotif 29th May 2022 10:30 PM

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A mini pedang. 1st I have ever seen.

SwordLover79 2nd June 2022 04:13 PM

19th Century miniature weapons
 
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made by Granger (Paris) in the 1820 timeframe I think

asomotif 6th June 2022 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SwordLover79 (Post 272406)
made by Granger (Paris) in the 1820 timeframe I think

Can you give us some size indication ?

SwordLover79 7th June 2022 05:33 PM

the swords range from 6 to 7 inches in length. The daggers are approximately 2 inches.


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