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weapons 27 16th May 2016 10:05 AM

spear for id please
 
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I think this spear is india.
it measures 2,48m long. the handle is bamboo. iron with the socket measuring 56cm. the 31cm iron.
the width of the blade 7,5cm. can you give me information on this launch and dated

Ibrahiim al Balooshi 16th May 2016 12:18 PM

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I think this spear is india.
it measures 2,48m long. the handle is bamboo. iron with the socket measuring 56cm. the 31cm iron.
the width of the blade 7,5cm. can you give me information on this launch and dated

Salaams weapons 27~ You are right; here's two more examples below.

Please see https://www.pinterest.com/pin/7881368071843607/ from which I Quote" Worldantiques Antiques saved to Indo-Persian spears/lances and javelin. Indian (south) heavy spear / lance heads (sang), one marked with numeric armoury marking in the South Indian dialect ‘Kannada’ “3 79″ (the same language used in the Mysore armoury). 17th or 18th century or earlier, both are much bigger and heavier then most Indian spear heads seen, with leaf shaped blades, thick central spines, and swollen tips – made for real use. Faux Damascus pattern etched on the larger spear." Unquote.


Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

weapons 27 16th May 2016 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Salaams weapons 27~ You are right; here's two more examples below.

Please see https://www.pinterest.com/pin/7881368071843607/ from which I Quote" Worldantiques Antiques saved to Indo-Persian spears/lances and javelin. Indian (south) heavy spear / lance heads (sang), one marked with numeric armoury marking in the South Indian dialect ‘Kannada’ “3 79″ (the same language used in the Mysore armoury). 17th or 18th century or earlier, both are much bigger and heavier then most Indian spear heads seen, with leaf shaped blades, thick central spines, and swollen tips – made for real use. Faux Damascus pattern etched on the larger spear." Unquote.


Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

ibrahim thank you for the pictures. I found the book hindu arms and ritual a spear which looks a lot like mine

kai 16th May 2016 05:26 PM

Great match!

I'd love to see a pic of this blade after careful cleaning and etching - wootz would not be terribly surprising, I guess...

Regards,
Kai

ariel 16th May 2016 10:05 PM

I am cautiously pessimistic about wootz: Southern Indians were not very big on it. Even their swords and daggers are only infrequently made of wootz.

weapons 27 17th May 2016 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kai
Great match!

I'd love to see a pic of this blade after careful cleaning and etching - wootz would not be terribly surprising, I guess...

Regards,
Kai

hi kai
I just cleaned the blade and etching. no trace of wootz!

Sajen 17th May 2016 05:10 PM

Nice looking spear after the cleaning! :) Even without wootz.

Regards,
Detlef

kai 17th May 2016 09:26 PM

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I just cleaned the blade and etching. no trace of wootz!
It sure does look better without the active rust... ;)

While Ariel certainly has a point regarding limited likelihood of it being wootz, I don't think the current condition is conclusive enough to decide either way. I do believe this blade does deserve a quality polish and subsequent etch to make any details visible. Even if it is likely to not be wootz, I'm confident that a nicely laminated blade will show up.

Regards,
Kai


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