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fernando 11th August 2021 02:02 PM

Small sword for comments
 
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An iron guard, with only the grip in bone, which must have been a replacement long, long ago; pommel peen looks intact. The pas d'ane not just residual; we can easily introduce the finger in it. Interesting that the quillon end (an acorn?) is bent to the side, looking however to have been born like that; some meaning to it ?
The blade wirh a lenticular ricasso and a perfect double fuller in the first third. Its length large enough to be considered fit for fighting; 86 cms. width 18 mm. Thickness 6 mm. Weight 532 grams.
The date, i would say, would still fall into 18th century.
Could you Genlemen guess on a origin of this sword, based on the above pictures and details.
Thank you in dvance.


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midelburgo 11th August 2021 03:55 PM

Blade seems to me like a Couleaux product from middle XIXth century. There is no point on having a long ricasso after the pas d'ane.

fernando 11th August 2021 06:47 PM

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Thanks much for your (edited) input :cool:.
... I was going nuts with that Chateau-Renault thing !
Let me see ...
Long ricassos are not needed in swords with pas d'ane. This (lenticular) one measures 3,5 cms.; i will not pretend that this part is there for decoration, like a smith's whim; just like pas d'anes are, in many examples.
On the other hand, if i follow your thoughts, this blade was mounted in this small sword hilt at a later stage ... just like the bone grip.
But being a Coleaux product shouldn't it have some inscriptions, as is their habit ?


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midelburgo 12th August 2021 12:47 PM

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Sorry for the mess. I wrote Chateaurenault instead of Chatellerault but that did not seem correct. Of course it should have been Klingenthal.

I have one of those two channeled blades mounted with a XIXth century copy of a XVI th century hispano-flemish hilt. The Couleux inscription was erased but not beyond recognition.

I take notice for the long ricassos... never say never...

Originally they were for all kind of dress sword shortly after Napoleon III.
This one is for medical staff.

fernando 12th August 2021 03:42 PM

Well elucidated, thank you. I never realized that such operational looking blade was so modern; and at least about a century younger than the guard where it is now mounted.

broadaxe 16th August 2021 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando (Post 265253)
Well elucidated, thank you. I never realized that such operational looking blade was so modern; and at least about a century younger than the guard where it is now mounted.

Being military-grade, such blades still saw some action by the mid-19th c.

fernando 16th August 2021 06:49 PM

Thanks much for the cheer up :).
I had a conversation with the person with whom i traded this sword. He has bought is as it is, but he promised to replace the blade with one of his unmounted ones available from an earlier period.

fernando 4th September 2021 05:01 PM

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Here we are; remounted with a period blade. Spanish, German; would anyone have a guess ?

Length 81 cms. Width 27 mm. Thickness 7 mm.
Looks like the grip is not bone, but some kind of boar tooth or the like.

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Radboud 6th September 2021 09:29 AM

That blade looks more in harmony with the hilt now. You'd be happy with that result.

fernando 6th September 2021 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Radboud (Post 265915)
... You'd be happy with that result...

You can bet i am :D.


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