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mahratt 23rd January 2013 07:29 PM

Stamp Translation
 
I need help with the translation of the stamp on the Afghan blade.

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Lew 23rd January 2013 08:13 PM

The stamp is the Green Mosque I think ?

mahratt 23rd January 2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lew
The stamp is the Green Mosque I think ?

I am interested in translation of the inscription.

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Jim McDougall 23rd January 2013 09:21 PM

This is the royal Afghan stamp, and the image actually represents the Sacred Shrine at the 'Blue Mosque' at Mazir i Sharif.
This is one of the increasingly familiar hybrid swords with the Anglo-Afghan military hilt of the 1880s and the Khyber knife type blade.
These weapons are typically from the reign of Emir Abdur Rahman (1898-1901) primarily, and were produced at the Kabul State Arsenal, or Mashin Khana.
The script below the image of the Mosque is characteristically a date, most of these will be c.1898-1901.
These are fascinating items from regions with troubled and dramatic history which of course extends into the present day.

Lew 23rd January 2013 11:40 PM

Blue mosque :eek: :shrug: My bad :o

Thanks for the clarification Jim.

Lew

Jim McDougall 23rd January 2013 11:59 PM

No sweat! You were on the right track Lew, and you had it right that a color was significant. ...not bad for 'shootin from the hip' (as they say here in Texas):)
The stuff I added I had to look up.

Dom 24th January 2013 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mahratt
I am interested in translation of the inscription.

Hi
it's not Arabic language, may be Urdu, or even Farsi (?)

through Arabic alphabet, there are 2 words, but no meaning for us :shrug:
TANE CHED

and a serial of digit
300 and may be again 0

all the best

à +

Dom

Jim McDougall 24th January 2013 03:57 AM

Iam no linguist, but I believe the alphabet is Pashto/Dari , as these are the predominant languages in Afghanistan.

mahratt 24th January 2013 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall
Iam no linguist, but I believe the alphabet is Pashto/Dari , as these are the predominant languages in Afghanistan.


Thank you all. Language on the stamp, I think - it's a Farsi.

ariel 25th January 2013 12:30 PM

I would guess that " 300" is a date: first number was often omitted. If so, this will be 1882-1883. Fits.

mahratt 25th January 2013 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel
I would guess that " 300" is a date: first number was often omitted. If so, this will be 1882-1883. Fits.

Thank you

AJ1356 4th February 2013 06:59 PM

It has been ages since I had enough time to come here, and I miss everyone's imaginations :). It reads Afghanistan and 1309 with is 81 years ago.

mahratt 4th February 2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ1356
It has been ages since I had enough time to come here, and I miss everyone's imaginations :). It reads Afghanistan and 1309 with is 81 years ago.

Thank you!

Tell me, please, translation:

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Dom 6th February 2013 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mahratta
Thank you! Tell me, please, translation:

Sorry, not for us,
it's "farsi" language (as digit, show it) inability on our part to translate :shrug:

all the best

à +

Dom

mahratt 7th February 2013 06:33 PM

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mahratt 7th February 2013 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ1356
It reads Afghanistan and 1309 with is 81 years ago.

Until 1919, in Afghanistan on the coins and weapons were placed on the lunar Hijri date and it turns out in 1891, and after 1919 in Afghanistan began to use solar hijrah and the translation work - 1930. But, this is not true.

mahratt 8th February 2013 06:55 PM

I need help with the translation :)

Dom 9th February 2013 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mahratt
I need help with the translation :)

Hi mahratt
your case has been submitted,
but unfortunately, we are out of our abilities :o
the language used, it's not Arabic, deeply sorry for you :shrug:

all the best

à +

Dom

mahratt 10th February 2013 08:44 PM

Waiting for help from AJ1356 :)

AJ1356 11th February 2013 12:38 PM

The sword handle with the letters and numbers inscribed, it seems to be a serial/registration number, the only word is the word for cannon, so it seems to be from an artillary unit, which is not surprise since it seems to be the hilt of an artillary sword. The selawa(khayber knife) with the inscreption on the other hand is quite strange. The writing is in a nice hand writing style, but what it contains is just confusing. From right to left, we have the number 6 what comes after can be read as the word for arrow (teer) then there is the number 5 followed by two words, the first is unintellegable the second could be read as the word for cannon (toup) I can't make anything out of the last word and at the end there is the number 4. I tried making sense of it in both Farsi and Pashto, but that is all I could come up with. On the first item in the post, even if we read the date as 1300 it would still be 91 years ago, which would be 1921-1922. So trying to say it is older than that would be trying to trick yourself into believing something that is not the truth. I hope i was helpfull.

mahratt 11th February 2013 04:34 PM

Thank you!


In 1301, at the instance s.h./1922 Iran in neighboring Afghanistan, where so far only officially used lunar Hegira, was introduced Iranian solar calendar with zodiac names of the months. While in Dari, they, like in Iran, called the Arab names, and the Pashto language were translated verbatim.


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