ANOTHER BANDOLIER...Origins please?
 

Just received this nice powder bandolier and I am curious as to the origins.
The powder holders are turned wood, with unfortunately one missing, but a replacement can easily be made. Also the belt has gone. The stopper plugs are shaped leather, with nice leather lids. All well made of good leather and very nicely decorated on the face with brass studs and embroidery.
What do we think?
Stu

Hi,
Just few comments, the top looks like Ottoman embroidery and tapestry nails remind me Morocco or South Yemen Hadramawt. If I have to choose I will say Hadramawt.
Kubur

Don't personally think Arabian. More likely Ottoman/Caucasus region IMHO, but then I am no expert in these.

No thoughts?

Like you, no more ideas... Watch this Omani one...

Yes that is Omani, but nothing like the one I was requesting information on.

Hi Stu.
Me think it's trying to grow legs to walk/swim to MY house. LOL!!
That is very cool!! And would go perfectly with MY Jazail. LOL!!
My guess is Afghan or Ottoman. Unlike the metal Ottoman/Greek bullet containers used to carry pre-formed combustible type cartridges (powder/paper/ball), the wood containers look like they were designed to carry just pre-measured powder charges. And a very clever design with the fabric/leather fold over stoppers. It looks like the buckle has a roller. That might place it a bit latter in the 19th Century (?).
A VERY neat item. Congrats.
Rick.

Hi Rick,
The sellers description was AFGHAN but I am more inclined to think Ottoman. The containers are wood, so likely to be for measured doses of powder rather than complete cartridges. The stoppers are totally leather--no woolfibre stoppers as in the Omani bandolier which I have in my collection and YES the buckle has a roller.
Here are pics of two similar shaped bandoliers sold by Hermann Historica, and described as Ottoman.
Stu

Hi Stu.
Based on these two photos, it does appear to be Ottoman. The gold/silver stitch design sure looks Ottoman. Again, very good find.
Also, if we determine the origin is Ottoman, we could conclude that it would look really good with MY Ottoman Tufuk Rifle I recently posted. LOL !! ;) :D
Rick.

I totally agree with Rick and Stu, Ottoman.
But as you may know, Ottoman for me is just a period and an Empire full of different people. So where your belt come from? You had Ottomans from Aden to Sarajevo...

Sold by a famous dealer
Antique Turkish Leather Cartridge Case

You was right.
Kubur

Looks like the evidence is mounting that Stu's Bandolier is likely Ottoman. So I'm going to agree. Thanks for the Post Kubur. Rick.

Salaams all, Certainly the #1 thread subject is Ottoman...

In dealing with its possible copied style and in this case comparing it with Omani examples....There is a similar part of a bandolier see #16 at http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15083 :shrug:

(Thinking it through...and thinking aloud the main barrel charge was carried in these containers and the priming-pan gunpowder in the finely silvered and decorated powder flask.)

The similarity in design seems to indicate that the Ottoman style of bandolier may have influened the Omani style, though, this has yet to be proven. There is uncertainty as to how this belt may have entered the Omani Souk...It may for example simply have joined the Souk via Yemen...and the outpouring of antiquities because of internal strife.

However, the very Omani looking belt section seems to indicate an older Omani provenance at #5 but is it Omani or Yemeni? The two styles of silver buttonwork ...Omani and Yemeni were somewhat similar.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi. :)

Another dated evidence, just above the left sword...
Kubur