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regihis 13th February 2012 08:44 PM
Mahdist daggers
 
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HOoha9WBGL...t4/s1600/3.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZMOyHy8aY5...IU/s1600/4.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9TrVW9JUHd..._Y/s1600/5.JPG http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-219yOKRePx...0/SAM_0320.JPG

Jim McDougall 13th February 2012 09:03 PM
Nice!
Was there a question or observation? What do you know about provenance, the style of hilt etc. Do you collect in this field?

regihis 13th February 2012 09:50 PM
I would translate it.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YbLE6wsuwa...1600/4+(2).jpg

regihis 13th February 2012 09:51 PM
I would translate it. inside the square is the year??
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YbLE6wsuwa...1600/4+(2).jpg

Devadatta 13th February 2012 10:40 PM
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Nice, here's mine!

Dom 14th February 2012 12:48 AM
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Translation for the date

1123 Hegira either ±1711 Gregorian

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Dom

kronckew 14th February 2012 07:11 AM
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they also come in straight.

Lew 14th February 2012 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Dom
Translation for the date

1123 Hegira either ±1711 Gregorian

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Dom

I find it hard to believe that these daggers are 300 yrs old based on the inscribing. If these are indeed Mahdist period dagger they can't be older than 1885?

Lew

Dom 14th February 2012 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Lew
I find it hard to believe that these daggers are 300 yrs old based on the inscribing. If these are indeed Mahdist period dagger they can't be older than 1885? Lew
I dunno if in English has a meaning, but we said (Frenchies)
- the paper never refuse ink and when it's engraved in marble or iron :p
I translate, no more ... ;)
interpretation I leave it for more expert than me :D

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Dom

regihis 14th February 2012 09:27 PM
In portuguese: paper accepts all...
I believe the Mahdists copied what already existed ...in this case: the style of the words Thuluth and the design of daggers. How copied others styles: indian, mamluk, western african ..

regihis 14th February 2012 09:46 PM
Its a Funj dagger?

The rulers of Sennar held the title of Mek (sultan). Their regnal numbers vary from source to source.
Amara Dunqas 1503-1533/4 (AH 940)
Nayil 1533/4 (AH 940)-1550/1 (AH 957)
Abd al-Qadir I 1550/1 (AH 957)-1557/8 (AH 965)
Abu Sakikin 1557/8 (AH 965)-1568
Dakin 1568-1585/6 (AH 994)
Dawra 1585/6 (AH 994)-1587/8 (AH 996)
Tayyib 1587/8 (AH 996)-1591
Unsa I 1591-1603/4 (AH 1012)
Abd al-Qadir II 1603/4 (AH 1012)-1606
Adlan I 1606-1611/2 (AH 1020)
Badi I 1611/2 (AH 1020)-1616/7 (AH 1025)
Rabat I 1616/7 (AH 1025)-1644/5
Badi II 1644/5-1681
Unsa II 1681-1692
Badi III 1692-1716
Unsa III 1719-1720
Nul 1720-1724
Badi IV 1724-1762
Nasir 1762-1769
Isma'il 1768-1776
Adlan II 1776-1789
Awkal 1787-1788
Tayyib II 1788-1790
Badi V 1790
Nawwar 1790-1791
Badi VI 1791-1798
Ranfi 1798-1804
Agban 1804-1805
Badi VII 1805-1821

regihis 14th February 2012 09:47 PM
really, the dagger its previous the mahdist, its a Funj gun? http://image.absoluteastronomy.com/i..._of_sinnar.gif funj warrior


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