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Sajen 5th March 2014 05:14 PM

My collection of sangi knives for enjoy!
 
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Here my small collection of sangi knives for your enjoy, the one in the middle is "new"! :D Of course new in my collection. :)

Robert 6th March 2014 01:20 AM

That's a great little grouping you have there Detlef and my congratulations to you on its newest addition. This is another style of knife that I have not yet been unable to add to my own collection. Oh well, sooner or later I will find one with a price that will let me be able to fit it in despite my ever shrinking budget.

Best,
Robert

David 6th March 2014 06:25 AM

Nice collection. Here is my meager offering. A couple of others were also posted on this thread. :)
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7506

Sajen 6th March 2014 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert
That's a great little grouping you have there Detlef and my congratulations to you on its newest addition. This is another style of knife that I have not yet been unable to add to my own collection. Oh well, sooner or later I will find one with a price that will let me be able to fit it in despite my ever shrinking budget.

Best,
Robert

Thank you Robert. Sadly this knives seems to be rare and pop up seldom on the market but I am sure that you will find one one day for a good price.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen 6th March 2014 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by David
Nice collection. Here is my meager offering. A couple of others were also posted on this thread. :)
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7506


Thank you as well David and you know that I like your one. Maybe others can show also their ones in this thread to show the different variations to give a overview to this nice little fellows.

Regards,
Detlef

VANDOO 30th March 2014 10:55 PM

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I AM ADDING A FEW MORE PICTURES OF SANGI KNIVES FOR COMPARISON AND REFRENCE. PICTURE #1 & #2. LIKELY BAGOBO
#3. , #4., & #5. BAGOBO KNIFE.

Rich 31st March 2014 04:42 AM

OK guys, how about a little education for us doobs on the board. What region, country,
tribes, culture, etc and time frame are these from?

Rich S

Sajen 31st March 2014 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich
OK guys, how about a little education for us doobs on the board. What region, country,
tribes, culture, etc and time frame are these from?

Rich S

Hello Rich,

Bagobo tribe and maybe others around, Mindanao, Philippines. I think that my ones shown in up are from the first quarter of the 20th century.

Regards,
Detlef

Battara 1st April 2014 01:28 AM

Ok Rich, this is tough, but I'll give it a shot:

Sajen is right - they are all from the Bagobo tribe on Mindanao Island, Philippines.

Age - 1st, 2nd, and last are from early 20th century (like Sajen said), the 3rd and 4th are probably from the late 20th century.

David 1st April 2014 03:29 AM

Is the knife in the first two images posted by Barry in post #6 a sangi? Looks like a completely different knife to me in blade form, hilt and dress style as well as size. :confused: :shrug:

Sajen 1st April 2014 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David
Is the knife in the first two images posted by Barry in post #6 a sangi? Looks like a completely different knife to me in blade form, hilt and dress style as well as size. :confused: :shrug:

Have to agree, seems to be a complete different knife IMHO. :confused:

Sajen 1st April 2014 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara
Age - 1st, 2nd, and last are from early 20th century (like Sajen said), the 3rd and 4th are probably from the late 20th century.

I think and believe that the brass one from my collection is old like the both other ones, the wooden core inside the scabbard and some other hints let me think like this. But by metal it's difficult to give a reliable expertise opinion and of course I can be wrong.

Nonoy Tan 2nd April 2014 12:52 PM

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Here is a specimen

Sajen 2nd April 2014 09:23 PM

Hello Nonoy,

very nice example! :)

Battara 3rd April 2014 12:05 AM

Maraming Salamat Nonoy Tan! This scabbard looks older to me - no later than say the 1930s. Is the knife itself original to the scabbard?

Beautiful piece in any case. :) (I LOVE tiger bells :D )

Nonoy Tan 3rd April 2014 12:36 PM

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Thanks Detlef and Jose.

The knife and the scabbard have a museum number on them, and likely came together when they were accessioned some time in the past.

The elaborateness of the scabbard matches the quality of the blade which is thicker than all others I have encountered.

Here are a couple more images.

Sajen 3rd April 2014 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nonoy Tan
The elaborateness of the scabbard matches the quality of the blade which is thicker than all others I have encountered.

Nonoy, may I ask you how thick the blade is?

Thank you,
Detlef

Nonoy Tan 3rd April 2014 09:19 PM

Hi Detlef,

Unfortunately, I am unable to give a precise figure because I am currently not home for the next couple of months. But I would estimate around 3.0 mm near the handle.

Nonoy

Battara 4th April 2014 12:14 AM

Nonoy Tan, your piece is so helpful! I now see that some of these bronze hilts are older. I thought they were all newer. Apparently I was mistaken. :o

When you get back, would you also please post close ups of the hilt and blade too? :D

I noticed the sculpturing at the base of the blade.......

Battara 4th April 2014 12:44 AM

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I don't have a sangi. what I can offer is this picture of a sangi on the back end of a Bagobo man. It is taken from National Geographic 1944 (vol.86, p567):

Sajen 4th April 2014 08:45 PM

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I have taken some pictures from the small booklet "Treasures Of The Davao Museum" where several sangi knives are pictured, as well some with metal handles and scabbards.

Sajen 18th November 2018 03:01 PM

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Have sold sometime ago the one with metal scabbard but have won recently an other one by a german auction house so the both remaining ones don't will feel alone! ;)
Here some pictures and the new family portrait.

JeffS 17th April 2022 06:40 AM

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Every once in awhile you find something good on Ebay... The blade is more substantial and a broader profile than the more recent examples I have. The mono steel blade has a nice "hamon" line. The spine work is a clean and a somewhat unusual feature on these as far as I can tell. Great piece of banati for the handle and the carving mirrors the spine filework.


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