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Matchlock 6th October 2010 05:05 PM

Great, Samuel, thank you,

Could you get me a copy of Janos Kalmar's Régi Magyar Fegyverek? I realize there existed an earlier 1970's edition but could not get hold of it. Is this a revised reprint as the original edition contained only very poor b/w photos?

Best,
Michael

Samik 6th October 2010 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock
Great, Samuel, thank you,

Could you get me a copy of Janos Kalmar's Régi Magyar Fegyverek? I realize there existed an earlier 1970's edition but could not get hold of it. Is this a revised reprint as the original edition contained only very poor b/w photos?

Best,
Michael

Check your PM ;)

Matchlock 6th October 2010 08:22 PM

Done, pal, and answered! ;)

Dmitry 7th October 2010 06:38 PM

I'm sorry to say that not sold on the 'historismus' bastard yet. I'm positive I've seen a similar hilt in a museum collection book, described as period. As usual, I don't remember where. Will comb through my library over the next few days.

Matchlock 7th October 2010 07:41 PM

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Sold Bonhams, London, 29 April 2010.

Emanuel 7th October 2010 10:58 PM

You guys ROCK!

I've fallen in love and all of this Medieval/Renaissance pornography is making me sweat :Big Grin:

The 1.5 hander in the Musee de L'Armee recalls a wonderful 15th c. storta in Swords and Hilt Weapons (Nicholson, 1989)

http://vikingsword.com/vb/attachment...id=17415&stc=1

Please keep it up, these threads are GOLD!

Best regards,
Emanuel

Dmitry 8th October 2010 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emanuel
The 1.5 hander in the Musee de L'Armee recalls a wonderful 15th c. storta in Swords and Hilt Weapons (Nicholson, 1989)

http://vikingsword.com/vb/attachment...id=17415&stc=1

The storta in your photo is in the Metropolitan Museum Collection. It's attributed to mid-16th c.
I make sure to look at it every time I visit the Met.

Matchlock 8th October 2010 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emanuel
You guys ROCK!

I've fallen in love and all of this Medieval/Renaissance pornography is making me sweat :Big Grin:

Please keep it up, these threads are GOLD!

Best regards,
Emanuel

Hi Emanuel,

I didn't realize this was a porn forum ... :D :rolleyes: - but of course I grasped your point and say thanks!

Best,
Michael

Emanuel 8th October 2010 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dmitry
The storta in your photo is in the Metropolitan Museum Collection. It's attributed to mid-16th c.
I make sure to look at it every time I visit the Met.

Thanks, good to know. Weidenfeld and Nicholson (Swords and Hilt Weapons, 1989) where I got the photo dated it to 1490. Magnificent example! I will certainly make a point of visiting the Met when I get to NY.

Matchlock 8th October 2010 04:17 PM

Please do and take close-ups!

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Emanuel 8th October 2010 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock
Hi Emanuel,

I didn't realize this was a porn forum ... :D :rolleyes: - but of course I grasped your point and say thanks!

Best,
Michael

To formalize my earlier outburst, since I started collecting arms, I've focused on ethnographic, non-European weapons out of interest and due to economic limitations. Pre-19th century European has remained thoroughly out of my league, as have Nihonto and most Persian and Caucasian arms. The efforts you folks have made in putting all of this material on the forum and sharing your knowledge and experience have made Euro arms so much more accessible.

Thank you once again.
Emanuel

Matchlock 8th October 2010 04:37 PM

Hi Emanuel,

I do appreciate your comment and thank you in return.
Me, on the other hand, I don't now the least on ethnographic arms ...

And: weapons, to many men, actually seem to have some kind of eroticism - I can't deny that for myself ... I mean they are not exactly 'sexy' but they sure they are fascinating and thrilling! :cool: :eek:

Best,

Michael

Matchlock 12th October 2010 03:37 PM

A Fine North Italian Knightly Hand-and-a-Half Sword, ca. 1500-10
 
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This is a painting by the so called Master of Cassoni Campana, active in Florence in the early 16th century (Italian Renaissance period).

The painting is in the Musée du Petit Palais, Avignon, France. The scene depicts the Ancient Greek mythology of Theseus and the Minotaur.

Enjoy

Matchlock 19th October 2010 11:45 AM

Two finely writhen Landsknecht sword pommels in the Museum of Lucerne, Switzerland
 
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Photographed by the author in their reserve collection.

The ring on the one on the right denotes that it was later re-used as a sliding weight, as often was the case.

Michael

Matchlock 5th November 2010 06:06 PM

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A fine South German, less probably Swiss, hand-and-a-half Landsknecht sword of ca. 1530, preserved in the Musée des Beaux-Arts, Dijon, France.

Best,
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Matchlock 8th November 2010 07:22 PM

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A hand-and-a-half Landsknecht sword in a ca. 1530's Flemish painting of the legend of St. Hubert, sold at auction at Galerie Koller, Zürich, Switzerland, in March 2010.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock 9th November 2010 03:54 PM

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A Landsknecht short sword with an open ring or antenna shaped pommel, an ear dagger and halberds in a ca. 1460-70 painting of the Passion of Christ.

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Matchlock 9th November 2010 04:15 PM

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Hubert van Eyck, Rotterdam, The Empty Tomb, ca. 1415.

Please note the edged weapons of the sleeping guards and the highly unusual shapes of some hafted weapons, including the two long arrows on the right!

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Matchlock 9th November 2010 04:22 PM

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Jörg Breu the Elder, The Crucifixion, dated 1501, Germanisches Nationalmuseum Nürnberg.

Please note the short sword with the ca. 1480-90 pommel and curved quillons (Kurzwehr, Seitenwehr) of the Landsknecht dressed in red in the middle.

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Matchlock 9th November 2010 04:37 PM

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St. Florian and St. Paul; painting by Jörg Breu the Elder, Augsburg, ca. 1500.

Please note the fine blade of the hand-and-a-half sword on the right.

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Matchlock 9th November 2010 04:47 PM

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The Joy of Springtime, by Jörg Breu the Elder, Augsburg, 1531.

Note the Katzbalger sword in its sheath.

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Matchlock 9th November 2010 04:52 PM

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Hand-and-a-half sword; St. Florian, by Francesco del Cossa, dated 1473.

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Matchlock 9th November 2010 05:01 PM

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Woodcut by Hans Schäufelein, ca. 1515, who among others worked for the Emperor Maximilan I.

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Matchlock 9th November 2010 05:04 PM

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Hans Sebald Beham, Nürnberg, dated 1540; drawing of one of the first rapiers.

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Matchlock 9th November 2010 05:14 PM

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Details from the so called Resurrection Altar, ca. 1430, from Arnstadt/Thuringia, now preserved in the Berlin Gallery.

Note the short Landsknecht sword (Seitenwehr or Kurzwehr) with riveted wooden or bone grips and the kidney dagger.

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Matchlock 9th November 2010 05:25 PM

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Woodcut of the students' riots in Efurt, Thuringia, ca. 1520, depicting some type of a Großes Messer.

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Matchlock 9th November 2010 05:29 PM

Gothic Fencing Books
 
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From top:

ca. 1320, 1452, 1558.

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Matchlock 10th November 2010 07:02 PM

The Martyrdom of St. Sebastian, ca. 1475
 
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Munich, ca. 1475; now preserved in the Wallraff-Richartz-Museum Cologne (Köln).

Please note the sword of a type that is usually dated 'ca. 1520' and called a 'hunting sword' - so this really is an important painting!

Matchlock 11th November 2010 08:24 PM

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Segovia, Alcázar, Spain, Cathedral: a very fine two-hand sword with partially gilt blade, ca. 1540.

Matchlock 11th November 2010 08:30 PM

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Two fine hand-and-a-half Landsknecht swords, ~1520; painting of the Passion of Christ, by Rueland Frueauf The Younger, Passau, Lower Bavaria.


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