Ethnographic Arms & Armour

Ethnographic Arms & Armour (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/index.php)
-   Ethnographic Weapons (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   Twins of Sulu (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=27763)

Spunjer 25th March 2022 03:21 AM

Twins of Sulu
 
4 Attachment(s)
the only expectation i had going to the antique show this past weekend was to find a decent Wakizashi, and spend quality times with the boys.

within the first hour these two pieces which i have only seen in pictures popped up: a solid silver pommeled barung and a silver junggayan kalis. they are about one of the most exquisite Moro pieces i have ever laid my eyes on. somehow i wanted to believe that these two were commissioned by the same man.

and they said lightning never strikes the same place twice...

drac2k 25th March 2022 01:32 PM

ABSOLUTELY STUNNING!!!!!

kronckew 25th March 2022 02:16 PM

Cool Fraternal Twins.;):D

kino 25th March 2022 02:42 PM

What a beautiful pair. I usually don't like polished silver pommels, but these two really look good polished. What's the dimensions of the Kris?
Thanks for sharing.

kai 25th March 2022 03:13 PM

Congrats, Ron!

Bob A 25th March 2022 05:53 PM

Great find, and very attractive silver work.

I can't say that I've seen silver pommels on these weapons before; I assume they're quite rare?

Battara 25th March 2022 06:23 PM

W:eek:W! Congratulations!

One day when I grow up, maybe I can do the same. :)

Rick 25th March 2022 06:48 PM

Jose, do you think these were made using a centrifugal caster? Or would the silver stay molten enough to just pour the silver into the mold without leaving voids?

kai 25th March 2022 10:15 PM

Hello Rick,

Lost wax casting is not unknown in the region. However, I have not seen any genuine Moro hilts crafted by silver casting: too heavy and precious.

All antique silver pommels seem to have been made by good ol' silversmithing over a core of a resin/filler mix. The malleability of gold and silver really helps to fuse metal joints.

Regards,
Kai

kai 25th March 2022 10:19 PM

Hello Bob,

Quote:

I can't say that I've seen silver pommels on these weapons before; I assume they're quite rare?
You can find quite some examples posted in this forum.

They are neither terribly rare nor that common; ivory seems to have been the preferred material for high-end pommels.

Regards,
Kai

SanibelSwassa 26th March 2022 02:27 AM

Ron,

Congratulations on the incredible find!! These come to those they choose, and they choose well.

Enjoy

Spunjer 26th March 2022 03:18 AM

Kino:
blade is 22 1/4"; handle is typical 7"x3"

Kai:
if they had any other way, i'm not sure how the pommel on the barung was made. there's absolutely no seam. which made me think the dam thing is solid. the kris on the other hand, you can see where the seams are.

Bob A.
pleasure meeting you at the show!

drac2k:
as promised, here they are!

Sajen 26th March 2022 10:31 AM

Just beautiful! Congrats Ron! :cool:

Battara 26th March 2022 07:00 PM

To answer the question of casting silver, I have seen (and have) pommels like these made of cast silver, but then other detailed parts were probably soldered onto the main pommel. This is not too different from stacking silver overlay on Southwest bracelets.

Jazz 29th March 2022 01:57 AM

Wow, can't get better than that! Congrats!! Those are definitely grails!

CharlesS 30th March 2022 12:24 PM

So lucky to see when Ron bought these...the pics don't do them justice. They are gorgeeeeez!


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:19 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.