Ethnographic Arms & Armour

Ethnographic Arms & Armour (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/index.php)
-   Ethnographic Weapons (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   Brazilian Faca de Ponta? (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=25294)

alex8765 20th September 2019 05:05 PM

Brazilian Faca de Ponta?
 
5 Attachment(s)
Hi gents,
Can you please help me to identify this knife? Is it Brazilian Faca de Ponta or Genovese Coltello, or Spanish Punal?
Thank you
Alex

Henk 20th September 2019 05:16 PM

I'm not very knowledgeable in this field. But i do know that i like this one.

I would say Spanish or Italian. Just my guess.

Sajen 20th September 2019 05:35 PM

Hello Alex,

I would vote for Faca de Ponta. It seems to be very old, mid 19th century?

Handle, blade shape point to Brazil but frankly said it would be the first I see with pierced blade. :eek: Therefore my age guess.
Please compare: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...&highlight=faca

Regards,
Detlef

alex8765 20th September 2019 06:45 PM

Thanks! I vote for Faca de Ponta as well, but like you said, the pierced blades not typical for Brazilian knifes. So, there is a chance that it was made in Europe for Brazilian market.

Sajen 20th September 2019 07:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by alex8765
Thanks! I vote for Faca de Ponta as well, but like you said, the pierced blades not typical for Brazilian knifes. So, there is a chance that it was made in Europe for Brazilian market.


Yes, when you read older threads there was always a discussion South America versus Mediterraean orgin by very old knives. Naturally! ;)
There is also the chance that it is Brazilian dagger from an other region. :shrug:
We have members who will be able to tell more, hope they join in. ;)

Sajen 20th September 2019 07:12 PM

See here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...razilian+dagger and spezial #27

alex8765 20th September 2019 08:12 PM

Very good thread, thanks. Could be Mediterranean knife after all.

Sajen 20th September 2019 08:14 PM

Still vote for Brazil! ;) :D

Rich 20th September 2019 08:50 PM

Could it be a Spanish blade that has been rehandled in Brazil,etc?
The blade is just like an early-mid 19th C Spanish punal I use to have.
Just a thought.
Rich

Sajen 21st September 2019 09:35 AM

Why not, everything is possible. :)

Sajen 21st September 2019 09:49 AM

3 Attachment(s)
A comparison.

First pic.: handle from one of my Faca de Pontas
Second pic.: handle from a possible Mineira dagger from Brazil, taken from this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...razilian+dagger
Third pic.: handle from the dagger in question

alex8765 22nd September 2019 01:57 PM

Thank Sajen,
I think “Brazilian with Mediterranean blade” is the most plausible :)

motan 22nd September 2019 06:49 PM

Hi,
I don't know much about Faca Pontas, so this may be a bit off, but has anyone considered it might be a Mauritanian dagger?
Both Brazilian and Mauritanian daggers have a heavy Spanish-Moorish influence. Found some examples that have similarity, but they are for sale :(

carlos 22nd September 2019 07:19 PM

My opinion is spanish blade with brazilian handle.
I have seen similar blades un spanish knives.
Carlos

Ian 22nd September 2019 09:24 PM

A very interesting knife. Thanks for presenting it here.

The pierced blade and copper insert on the blade suggest to me a Spanish origin for it, but the hilt is not Spanish. The style of the hilt suggests South America, and I would favor Argentina more than Brazil based on the combination of silver and gold washed (?) areas and the patterns stamped on them. The small bolster ("button") is not typical of either Brazilian or Argentine knives AFAIK, strengthening the idea that the blade is Spanish. The metal sheath is not like anything I have seen before from Brazil or Argentina, and seems more Mediterranean to me.

I would favor an Argentine hilt rather than Brazilian for the reasons stated, and also because Argentina was a Spanish colony and Brazil was Portuguese.

Ian

alex8765 23rd September 2019 12:36 PM

Thank you gentlemen. Very interesting and helpful discussion.

Alex.


All times are GMT. The time now is 01:30 AM.

Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.