pamor for comment
 

Hello everyone, I’m new here and this is my first post in this forum.
I apologize if my English is not always correct , I live in the Netherlands and I have a great interest in the keris.
I was wondering if anybody has seen a pamor like this?, the blade is ful whith copper or brass circles.
I would appreciate any comments or information.
Thanks in advance for any comments

Now that's entertainment ! :D
Always something interesting coming out of Madura; that is for sure .

Agreed!

Many many Pande in Madura (Aeng Tong Tong) or villages arround it making keris. From low quality until high quality. Not just all kind art of keris. I heard that a pande starting making other kind of swords too. For example YATAGHAN with tripple fullers and pamor lar gangsir, complete with arabic words that carved and made of silver :eek:

Madura Keris
 

This picture was taken November 2008 when I was in Aeng Tong Tong.

Just to show what they can do, all you need just asked. :)

Hmmm... reminds me of the movie Dark City... :p Well, there's a way to float anyone's boat... :p :D

Welcome Sirek. I am not sure that the comments so far have been particularly helpful to you. To be a little more direct, what you have on your keris i would not call pamor in that it is a decorative element that has been added after forging, perhaps to somewhat mimic the effect Udan Mas (golden rain) pamor. This is more akin to kinatah than pamor, the process of adding gold design elements to decorate a blade after forging, but this is not done with gold nor the considerable amount of artistry of good kinatah. As has been pointed out they are trying out some possible directions on contemporary keris from Madura these days. :)

Thanks for the comment,

the photo from Rasjid shows similar circles, and it seems that everything is possible, and I see it now as a form of artistic design.
I know that it is not everyone type of keris. :shrug: but it works for me.
Perhaps I can always use it to hypnotize someone with it :D

One of the reasons I bought him was that the carving was from a good quality and it cames whith a nice hardwood keris board that goes with it.
i believe that the keris of Madura is often a real work of art, but sometimes with olmost exaggerated decorations including the woodcarving. :)

That is indeed a nice keris board Sirek and the carving of hilt and sheath appears nice.
I think the idea that everything is possible these days in the keris world might have some truth to it, but for many the idea that anything goes is not always so valid. :) In other worlds many collectors are still seeking keris that maintain a certain amount of integrity and adhere to the parameters of what a "real" keris is and are seeking keris that fall into one of the established "pakems" even if they are newly made contemporary blades. New invention in the keris world is not particularly well received by the collectoring community, sometimes, IMO, for good reason.
What i think the makers of your keris were doing was to provide a post-forging short-cut to the effect of pamor Udan Mas (golden rain). I have attached an image of what this might look like when actually done as a pamor pattern. This is not nearly the best example of this pamor's execution, just the most representational example i could find on the web at short notice to show you what this design looks like as a pamor pattern.

David I understand what you want to say, ;)

In my collection I have a keris with a similar pattern ( but 'm not sure of the name of the pamor). :confused:

Do you have any keris books, Sirek ? :)

This is pamor bonang rinenteng.

or gamelan pamor too

the last year I've purchased some books, :)

but I must admit that I find it some times very difficult to recognize the right pamor. :confused:

often its only a unclear drawing

thats one of the reasons why I wanted to join this forum to learn the proper names,

and I appreciate very much the comments I get from you all :)

Yes, the bonang is a gamelan instrument , and this pamor can be called bonang, or bonang rinenteng, or bonang sirenteng, or bonang sarenteng, or bonang rentengan, but we cannot call it "pamor gamelan".

yes teacher

Marco, I may be wrong, but I sense a degree of sarcasm in your most recent post.

I am not your teacher, nor the teacher of anybody else.

I am a reasonably well experienced person in the world of the Javanese keris, and when I post comments I do so to share that which I have learnt with others.

This is not teaching.