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scratch 12th August 2009 01:37 PM

Moro Axe Panabas
 
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G'day :)
I thought some members may be interested in this piece.

Cheers,

Daniel

Rick 12th August 2009 02:23 PM

Congratulations !
You have one of the rarest forms of Panabas . :)

Gavin Nugent 12th August 2009 02:43 PM

Very Nice
 
Very nice and a strong raw weapon Scratch, congrats on a great find!!!

The twist rattan wrap pictured, does it denote anything in particular?

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Originally Posted by Rick
Congratulations !
You have one of the rarest forms of Panabas . :)

Make that two of the rarest...I do hope the other is shared in time too...


Gav

Rick 12th August 2009 03:39 PM

Funny, the curve in the spine seems purpose made . :confused:

Those marks on the spine are from use; not decoration, correct ?

KuKulzA28 12th August 2009 04:31 PM

never seen one of those, great find scratch! :D

dennee 12th August 2009 07:13 PM

The blade's curve could be intended to keep the hand away from the work---as with the handle of a broad ax (also with a beveled edge) used for hewing timber.

wilked aka Khun Deng 13th August 2009 09:47 AM

Rarest
 
Rick or scratch,
Could you elaborate on the "rarest" comment. I'm unfamiliar with any panabas in this profile?

Dan

Gavin Nugent 13th August 2009 10:44 AM

Cato
 
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Originally Posted by wilked aka Khun Deng
Rick or scratch,
Could you elaborate on the "rarest" comment. I'm unfamiliar with any panabas in this profile?

Dan


Hi Dan,

My Cato book is on loan at the moment but he notes this form in his book, someone should be able to site the images and passage in the book.

Gav

G. McCormack 13th August 2009 01:49 PM

Lovely piece!

The bend in the blade does not look intentional, but rather a result of use, just like the scars on the spine that come from hammering- as you might when using this to split wood. I'm sure the first owner more than once straightened the blade under his foot. This doesn't come across as a hewing tool.

:)

Gavin Nugent 13th August 2009 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by G. McCormack
Lovely piece!

The bend in the blade does not look intentional, but rather a result of use, just like the scars on the spine that come from hammering- as you might when using this to split wood. I'm sure the first owner more than once straightened the blade under his foot. This doesn't come across as a hewing tool.

:)

I'd bet a hundred there is no straightening this blade under foot, between floor boards or any other method. I'd be interested in hearing what the owner has to say though.
I'd be interested in knowing more of the measurements too.

Gav

migueldiaz 13th August 2009 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wilked aka Khun Deng
Rick or scratch, Could you elaborate on the "rarest" comment. I'm unfamiliar with any panabas in this profile? Dan

Dan, at the Hayes Museum, there's a similar panabas with this description:
Object Name: Ax
Other Name: Panabas
Catalog Number: 1934.706.1

Description: hand-held ax (often refered to as a borong); leaf-shaped blade, thickens on top and narrows towards bottom, and is heavy; handle is wood and has numerous rinds carved into it from middle to top; bottom half is split down the middle (by design) to accommodate the hidden hilt of the blade and held together by four metal bands, one corroded silver and the three botttom ones brass; end cap has ”WP 54” written in black ink; top part of handle side has unreadable marking sticker;

Date: 1900
Dimensions: L - 20.866 inches
Material: wood; metal;
Event: Philippine Insurrection

Provenance: Panabas brought back from the Philippines by Webb C. Hayes

Notes: # 6 in display case; part of a collection of weapons and assorted items Webb C Hayes brought back from the Philippines. According to Ron Zambarrona [Zambarrano], a collector and historian of Moro weapons, this is a rarest form of a Panabas, a smaller version, which is often mistaken for an ax.

Collection: Webb Cook Hayes
The panabas below as described above also appeared in this thread.

Maurice 13th August 2009 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by freebooter
Hi Dan,

My Cato book is on loan at the moment but he notes this form in his book, someone should be able to site the images and passage in the book.

Gav

Cato page 91.
Photo 56

Lew 13th August 2009 03:37 PM

Nice example but IMO this is more a Agricultural tool for field work of food preparation and not a true panabas :shrug:

Lew

Rick 13th August 2009 04:26 PM

Hi Lew, I could agree with you .
The only thing that puts me off the tool idea is the blade profile; it looks inefficient for field work . :shrug:

We can see the abuse the spine has suffered so I'm sure it was used as a tool at some point .

On the other hand; for melee combat it would make a great slashing chopper; not to mention that point . :eek:

Lew 13th August 2009 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick
Hi Lew, I could agree with you .
The only thing that puts me off the tool idea is the blade profile; it looks inefficient for field work . :shrug:

We can see the abuse the spine has suffered so I'm sure it was used as a tool at some point .

On the other hand; for melee combat it would make a great slashing chopper; not to mention that point . :eek:

Rick

I really don't think this is a melee weapon the blade is quite thin and it does not much of a reach. The damage to the spine is from batoning probably used it to pound the blade through rattan or some other woody/fiberous material. I can just see the face on the owner on this piece when he confronts another Moro warrior charging at him with a long kris or kampilan. :eek:

scratch 14th August 2009 02:18 AM

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G'day :)
I hope this piece continues to generate discussion.
Thank you to all for their communication and contribution.
It would do this piece and its maker a disservice to consider it as tool primarily,I think, although it certainly could have been used as such. Not to imply that an agricultural tool is any less valid of course. Perhaps this piece and other weapons also have their origin in agrarian function?
What parameters does one use to establish whether this a "true" panabas?
In the hands of a Moro warrior committed to death it would be a formidable weapon I think.

Measures
Overall lenght:25 in.
Blade length: 12 1/4 in.
Weight: 2 lb 7 oz.
To my eye Handle is made of bamboo root like good kachin daos.

The double beveled edge creates a thickness at cut zone as "thin" as many of my kukris and thicker than my barong example.
Blade has lateral strength to pry floorboards open/wider without taking a set as suggested. I believe the curve to be forged. I t does not flex easily. I would not subject my barong to this level of stress.
Dings in spine could have come through forceful blows against stationary metal object,I think, or forged purposefully? I tend to agree with Rick that abuse of some kind is likely.
Maurice and Migueldiaz, Thank you for your references as I can find little else published on these items.

Regarding rattan knot am I correct in thinking that mandaus have similiar?

Best regards to all,

Daniel

Lew 14th August 2009 03:35 AM

Scratch

Panabas were originally used as axes and for chopping wood and was put into use as a weapon in a pinch. I have seen photos of Moros carrying kampilans,barungs and kris and the only photo of a panabas I have seen was used to lop off heads for executions.

Lew

Gavin Nugent 14th August 2009 04:50 AM

The forte
 
To those learned gents on Moro Panabas, does the curved notch cut outs top and bottom at the forte indicated a true panabas as I have seen this notching on other high end panabas???
The length is very capable looking at it, longer than a Katchin Dao and nearly as long as a Kora...I'd like to hear more.

Gav

Battara 16th August 2009 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES
I have seen photos of Moros carrying kampilans,barungs and kris and the only photo of a panabas I have seen was used to lop off heads for executions.
Lew

I have been a little quiet on this post. Regarding pictures, I have seen a couple, not many. Yes they were more the execution types not this type.

Robert 30th November 2018 05:26 AM

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I wish that I could claim to be the new owner of this exceptional piece and even though I cannot, I felt the need to resurrect this older thread to add these photos to our archives of this rare form of panabas. I am hoping that it was one of our forum members who has given this beautiful piece a new home and that after it has arrived and they have had the chance to give it a bit of TLC they will post more information as well as better quality photos showing the details much better than these auction photos do. My congratulations to whoever it might be that has had the good fortune to have won this beautiful piece.

Best,
Robert

kronckew 30th November 2018 10:08 AM

:D Nice! That definitely does NOT look like a tool.

David 30th November 2018 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew
:D Nice! That definitely does NOT look like a tool.

That is exactly what i was thinking as i scrolled down the photos Wayne. This one, at least, does not appear to be meant for agricultural use. :shrug:

Battara 30th November 2018 08:30 PM

So you beat me out on this!.............I mean...............er.............great panabas!

And this looks like it belonged to a well respected/higher status warrior!

Congratulations!

Robert 1st December 2018 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kronckew Nice! That definitely does NOT look like a tool.
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Originally Posted by kronckew That is exactly what i was thinking as i scrolled down the photos Wayne. This one, at least, does not appear to be meant for agricultural use.
Yes, this one and the one that Migueldiaz pointed out in this link http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10566 are the only ones so far that look as if they were never meant for splitting cocoanuts but heads instead. :eek: :D I have attached the photos from the Hayes Museum below for convenience.

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Originally Posted by Jose So you beat me out on this!.............I mean...............er.............great panabas!
As I said in my first posting, I "WISH" I could say that I was the winner, but unfortunately I am not :( Believe me, if I had won this wonderful piece everyone would know. :D :eek: :eek: :D ;)


Best,
Robert

Battara 1st December 2018 05:48 PM

Um........right.........I missed that............

Anyway, I noticed the silver okir inlays into the blade and the bronze okir bands - not seen these in your usual panabas. I was hoping to make the end cap/ring if I got it. :(


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