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Multumesc 23rd June 2019 11:52 AM

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Hello.What do you think about this tulwar? Since what century is this tulwar?From what country does it come from?Thank you in advance.

Multumesc 23rd June 2019 12:38 PM

The lama seems to be damasc.

ariel 23rd June 2019 06:55 PM

The contour of the blade and the absence of blunt ricasso seem to point to its Persian origin. The hole in the handle was designed for a rivet, suggesting NE India/ Afghanistan, and yet another hole likely suggests that the handle is not the original one. New handles were married to old blades and vice versa all the time.
The blade absolutely needs cleaning, polishing and etching. Might be an excellent one. I keep my fingers crossed.

Multumesc 24th June 2019 12:29 PM

As can be seen in the first picture, it is possible to be Wootz Steel? ( Damascus Steel) :shrug:

ariel 24th June 2019 02:02 PM

It is eminently possible.
But to prove it, you will need some elbow grease:-)

There are multiple entries on this site with detailed “recipes” how to do it right.
Your efforts may be richly rewarded.

Jens Nordlunde 24th June 2019 08:43 PM

I can only agree with Ariel - please start cleaning the blade:-).

MForde 25th June 2019 11:10 AM

I've read that handles that look fairly long and spacious like this one are associated with Scinde - or is that a bit of a myth?

Jim McDougall 25th June 2019 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MForde
I've read that handles that look fairly long and spacious like this one are associated with Scinde - or is that a bit of a myth?

Beware those kinds of axioms, and there are many associated with Indian arms.
In most cases, late 18th into 19th is pretty much the standard period of most tulwars, with more discerning classification determined with in depth investigation.

The idea of these 'long' open hilts 'being from Sind, perhaps?'is noted from an illustration from the article "Swords of the Shazadas and Talpurs" by Peter Hayes, 'Connoisseur ' magazine Vo. 178, #717, p.177, Nov.1971. and addresses the Talpur tribes in Sind's preferences in weaponry. As indicated in dscussions in Apr. 2016, one of these was so noted as from Sind.

The bottom sword is perhaps in mind of your suggestion.

It is the bottom sword in the illustration.
Talpurs of Sind had a strong propensity for diplomatic exchanges and gifting of swords so many forms were involved. The open hilts (as here) I have always regarded as court or diplomatic types, so possibly that might be a factor.

These hilts were well present throughout Mughal held regions.

MForde 28th June 2019 09:24 AM

Thank you for that, Mr McDougall - a most interesting read.

Jens Nordlunde 29th June 2019 11:40 AM

Although this thread is quite old there are many interesti posts

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