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Sajen 24th May 2014 02:20 PM

Early barong beauty
 
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This small early jungayyan barong ended yesterday by ebay, sadly I was outbid since I have been at work and was unable to follow the auction. Hopefully someone from our members is the happy winner, I think it's a real bargain: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Moro-S-E-Asi...c#ht_25wt_1153
It is with 8 1/2" blade a rather small example but I think a very early one. I think it is worth to add it to our archives.

CharlesS 24th May 2014 05:05 PM

Certainly and interesting piece and a classic older shape, but with an 8.5in. blade it almost seems too small...perhaps it was for a datu's son???

Robert 24th May 2014 07:40 PM

Hello Detlef, Sorry to hear you were not able add this very nice piece to your collection. Looking at the photos, the hilt looks like it would to be able to accommodate the hand of a grown man. I'm just thinking out loud now, but could it be that these small examples were made to be used as a companion piece to a full sized barong and used in the same manner as a dagger would be used in conjunction with a sword, a practice that might have been picked up from the Spanish?

Best,
Robert

Sajen 24th May 2014 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesS
Certainly and interesting piece and a classic older shape, but with an 8.5in. blade it almost seems too small...perhaps it was for a datu's son???

I have been at first very unsure also because the blade is so tiny but the handle section seems to have the same length as the blade, so the complete barong has maybe 17in.; still small but for an old style barong maybe ok!? :shrug: But it's a good possibility that it was for a young datu's son.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen 24th May 2014 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert
Hello Detlef, Sorry to hear you were not able add this very nice piece to your collection. Looking at the photos, the hilt looks like it would to be able to accommodate the hand of a grown man. I'm just thinking out loud now, but could it be that these small examples were made to be used as a companion piece to a full sized barong and used in the same manner as a dagger would be used in conjunction with a sword, a practice that might have been picked up from the Spanish?

Best,
Robert

Hello Robert,

can't have every time so good luck but have been a little bit angry when I have seen the result of the auction. :mad: :D ;)
Could it have been a pure presentation dress piece? Agree with you that it is a very nice piece. And the price was a real bargain IMHO.

Regards,
Detlef

Battara 25th May 2014 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert
Hello Detlef, Sorry to hear you were not able add this very nice piece to your collection. Looking at the photos, the hilt looks like it would to be able to accommodate the hand of a grown man. I'm just thinking out loud now, but could it be that these small examples were made to be used as a companion piece to a full sized barong and used in the same manner as a dagger would be used in conjunction with a sword, a practice that might have been picked up from the Spanish?

Best,
Robert

A good question. I have been informed by the Filipino community that the "espada y data" method to which you are referring is a Spanish influence in Luzon and the Visayas, but not in the southern Philippines. Even they did have swords and daggers, they did not use this method of combat.

They barony may very well be a dress piece, since they had both ones for dress and ones for everyday wear.

Robert 25th May 2014 12:51 AM

Thank you for clarifying this Jose, I knew it was a common form in Luzon but did not know it was not used by the Moro as well. The idea of this being a dress piece would make a lot of sense as being smaller in size it would be much more comfortable to wear during a formal dinner or meeting where being seated for an extended period of time was normally required.

Sajen 25th May 2014 09:40 AM

Thank you as well Jose! :)

kino 1st June 2014 11:37 PM

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I'm the current owner of the diminutive Barung. My suspicions of this being a child's Barung were confirmed when I wrapped my hand around the hilt and felt the circumference. It's nicely made with a patterned blade and dual colored metal ferrule and rings.
Photos of it post cleaning and with an adult sized Barung for size comparison.

Sajen 2nd June 2014 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kino
I'm the current owner of the diminutive Barung. My suspicions of this being a child's Barung were confirmed when I wrapped my hand around the hilt and felt the circumference. It's nicely made with a patterned blade and dual colored metal ferrule and rings.
Photos of it post cleaning and with an adult sized Barung for size comparison.

So you bid me out by this one! :D ;) Congratulations! Happy to know that it is in good hands now! Very nice pattern on the blade! What are the metal from the upper rings? The ferrule seems to be silver but can't determine the ring material. Beautiful addition to your collection. When you one day will bore it; you know who you can inform! ;) ;) :D

Regards,
Detlef

Battara 3rd June 2014 12:14 AM

Albert thank you fore posting this along side the adult sized barong. Now I see it as a child's barony..............

kino 3rd June 2014 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen
What are the metal from the upper rings? The ferrule seems to be silver but can't determine the ring material. Beautiful addition to your collection. When you one day will bore it; you know who you can inform! ;) ;) :D

Regards,
Detlef

I'll keep you in mind Detlef.
The rings are more coppery color in the photos, they have a pinkish hue so I'm thinking that they are coin silver.

You're welcome Battara.

Sajen 3rd June 2014 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kino
I'll keep you in mind Detlef.
The rings are more coppery color in the photos, they have a pinkish hue so I'm thinking that they are coin silver.

Thank you Albert! :)

I wonder if there other child barong in collections of members because this is the first one I have seen so far. And I am correct that it has once belong to a datu son?

Regards,
Detlef

Battara 3rd June 2014 08:36 PM

Oh you are correct Detlef. No question that this belonged to a data's son.....

Sajen 3rd June 2014 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara
Oh you are correct Detlef. No question that this belonged to a data's son.....

Thank's again Jose! :)


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