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spiral 13th October 2014 03:35 PM

Old Rhino horn Spear head!
 
Last month this recently discovered piece was displayed in Russia.

The Wooly rhino spear tip is almost 90cm in length and seemingly still sharp enough to kill, was found on the island of Bolshoy Lyakhovsky, off the northern coast of Siberia.

Previously, woolly rhinoceros horn has been seen as a component in the construction of ancient spears in Siberia, for example in the coupling of a stone tip to the shaft.

Full article from The Siberian times...
Linky....

Spiral


http://siberiantimes.com/upload/info...items_1655.jpg



http://siberiantimes.com/PICTURES/SC...ull_lenght.jpg



http://siberiantimes.com/PICTURES/SC..._the_spear.jpg

Sajen 13th October 2014 04:58 PM

Thank you for posting, very interesting! :)

Putin look very bored! :D

spiral 13th October 2014 05:44 PM

Thank You, I thought so to....But indeed Putin on the other hand,
looks as if to say :shrug:

spiral

colin henshaw 13th October 2014 06:41 PM

Very interesting, thanks for posting. Never heard of rhino horn having been used as a spear tip before, either in ancient or modern times, but it makes sense. Antelope horn has been used for this purpose in Southern Sudan, well into the 20th century, also giraffe bone.

ariel 14th October 2014 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Putin look very bored! :D

Not bored: depressed.
This oosik is bigger than his....

David 14th October 2014 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel
Not bored: depressed.
This oosik is bigger than his....

This is an oosik? I thought it was made from the rhino's horn? :confused:

spiral 14th October 2014 11:03 AM

Thanks Collin , I didn't know that, any photos of such types?


I think Ariel meant horn not ossik! :D

spiral

kronckew 14th October 2014 02:56 PM

i think he meant exactly what he said :D

spiral 14th October 2014 03:45 PM

Im sure! There one & the same after all! ;) :D

David 14th October 2014 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiral
Im sure! There one & the same after all! ;) :D

Haha! That would be interesting… ;) :D

LJ 14th October 2014 07:01 PM

The Pitt Rivers Museum websitte on Southern Sudan has photos of some of the nilotic spears with horn tips.

One extra thought. How do we know it is a spear head? Some Australian waddies are similar in size and shape, even having pointed ends. Then there are digging sticks, walking sticks, 'batons de commandment' ... Is there an indication that it was fitted onto a shaft ?

VANDOO 14th October 2014 07:48 PM

THE WOOLLY RHINO HORN WAS WIDER AND FLATTER THAN TODAY'S RHINO HORNS AND IT IS LIKELY THE ANIMAL USED IT TO DIG AWAY SNOW SO IT COULD GET TO THE GRASS. GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE HORNS IT IS LIKELY MORE THAN ONE SLIVER SUCH AS WE SEE COULD HAVE BEEN MADE FROM ONE HORN. SO PERHAPS THEY WILL FIND MORE AND BE ABLE TO MAKE A BETTER GUESS AT ITS USE HUNTING OR CEREMONIAL. THE INFORMATION LEAVES OUT MUCH, SUCH AS WAS IT FOUND IN A GRAVE OR IN A PIT WITH OTHER OBJECTS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHLY VALUED BY THE TRIBES. A COOL ITEM AND IT IS GOOD THAT MR. PUTIN SHOWS AN INTEREST IN SUCH THINGS GIVEN HIS CURRENT JOB MANY WOULD NOT OSSIK OR NOT :D

spiral 14th October 2014 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LJ
The Pitt Rivers Museum websitte on Southern Sudan has photos of some of the nilotic spears with horn tips.

One extra thought. How do we know it is a spear head? Some Australian waddies are similar in size and shape, even having pointed ends. Then there are digging sticks, walking sticks, 'batons de commandment' ... Is there an indication that it was fitted onto a shaft ?


Ahh Thank you! Any links to those items?

I don't "know" my source was just a Siberian newspaper... :shrug:

Hopefully Mr. Semyon Grigoryev, The Director of the Lazarev Mammoth Museum at the Northeastern Federal University is used to the subject matter & it has been examined with an electron microscope etc. for wear analysis .etc? To date I've found wear analysis great for the thousands of Mesolithic tools Ive found.


I sincerely hope no one even in Siberia thought rhino horn was best used for digging sticks!:D after all there plenty of birch,juniper, spruce & larch around.. & I guess in those days antlers & bones of any size...

But if you really interested google just Semyon Grigoryev, he seems like an informed chap to me. ;) But I would welcome more info myself... perhaps you could send him an email perhaps? It would be interesting for more news, perhaps he will share the studies?

That would be good...

spiral

spiral 14th October 2014 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO
THE WOOLLY RHINO HORN WAS WIDER AND FLATTER THAN TODAY'S RHINO HORNS AND IT IS LIKELY THE ANIMAL USED IT TO DIG AWAY SNOW SO IT COULD GET TO THE GRASS. GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE HORNS IT IS LIKELY MORE THAN ONE SLIVER SUCH AS WE SEE COULD HAVE BEEN MADE FROM ONE HORN. SO PERHAPS THEY WILL FIND MORE AND BE ABLE TO MAKE A BETTER GUESS AT ITS USE HUNTING OR CEREMONIAL. THE INFORMATION LEAVES OUT MUCH, SUCH AS WAS IT FOUND IN A GRAVE OR IN A PIT WITH OTHER OBJECTS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHLY VALUED BY THE TRIBES. A COOL ITEM AND IT IS GOOD THAT MR. PUTIN SHOWS AN INTEREST IN SUCH THINGS GIVEN HIS CURRENT JOB MANY WOULD NOT OSSIK OR NOT :D


Indeed Vandoo, I think its a dig their taking seriously & hopefully more finds & evidence will be shown in future.

spiral


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