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mahratt 9th November 2021 11:48 AM

mysterious creature
 
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Hello! What kind of creature do you think is depicted on the knuckle guard of this Khanjarli?

kai 9th November 2021 05:48 PM

Very nice piece, Dmitry!

It's a humanized fat-tailed gecko, I'm sure... :cool: :rolleyes: ;)

Any chance it might be a composite of several features?

Regards,
Kai

Peter Andeweg 9th November 2021 09:15 PM

It could be Matsya, a reincarnation of the goddess Vishnu who saved the world from flood. I would date it early to mid 18th century. Nice piece!

ariel 10th November 2021 01:13 AM

Vishnu was a god: male.
Matsya by definition is a "fish". The creature does not look like one.

Richard G 10th November 2021 03:17 PM

Scorpion?

Sajen 10th November 2021 03:56 PM

Ask Erich von Däniken! :rolleyes:

Ian 11th November 2021 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel (Post 267610)
Vishnu was a god: male.
Matsya by definition is a "fish". The creature does not look like one.

Vishnu does have a (transgender?) female avatar, Mohini, who is a seductress. He/she seduces Shiva in an attempt to make the latter more worldly. They may have had a son, Ayyappa. All this is very confusing because Mohini did not have a uterus and may have given birth from her thigh. Long story short, there are representations of Vishnu/Mohini that are female.

mahratt 11th November 2021 08:40 AM

Many thanks to everyone for their opinions.

ariel 11th November 2021 09:25 AM

I am with Sajen,
Looks like something from Area 51.

Kmaddock 11th November 2021 02:09 PM

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If I use my imagination I can see a man with a V neck cloak with hands clasped in front praying?

no legs like a Casper the ghost character

Regards

Ken
PS a very nice piece indeed.

Interested Party 11th November 2021 03:41 PM

Am I being simple or could a level of meaning be the deification of the chilanam itself? The silhouette is an uncanny resemblance.

ariel 13th November 2021 03:57 AM

Apparently, this Khanjarli currently belongs to Mahratt. True?

It was first shown in the Russian book “ Mortal Beauty”( State Museum of the Orient, 2015, item # 84).
Museum items were shown separately, so it seems that this Khanjarli used to belong to one of the two private collectors, Messr. Popov and Kormshchikov, who provided items from their collections for the exhibition.

Seems to me the previous owner might possess important information about the mysterious figure.

mariusgmioc 13th November 2021 07:38 AM

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I am a little late but I have no doubts that it is Matsya, the first avatar of Visnu.

If you examine the carving carefully you may notice it has four arms. Two lowered and two raised above the head. Very similar to the figure from another Khanjarli with the ten avatars of Vishnu.

I attach some illustrations for reference.

ariel 13th November 2021 09:25 AM

Marius,
Very convincing.
Excellent detective work!

Sajen 13th November 2021 12:40 PM

Hi Marius,

Great identification! :cool:

Regards,
Detlef

mahratt 13th November 2021 04:05 PM

Thank you very much, Marius!

A very detailed and undoubtedly correct explanation.


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