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estcrh 18th July 2016 06:48 PM

Ottoman shishana / shishane or boyliya?
 
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Not quite sure exactly what this is, anyone have an opinion?

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Ottoman miqueletlock shishana / shishane (long gun with a hexagonal wooden butt and a heavy barrel, a stock form used by the janissary and the seymeni) or possibly a Balkan boyliya, 18th c, 58" long, 44 1/2" tapered octagonal 70 cal. damascus twist iron barrel with silver bands, integral open rear sight, double blade front sight, breech inlaid with a silver band and silver bordered gilt brass inlaid makers mark, wood stock of typical construction studded with silver tacks.

TVV 18th July 2016 08:09 PM

Given the length, I would call this a Boyliya (the name is derived from the word "boy", meaning a man's height). The shishanes tend to be shorter. Another main distiction is that boyliya is usually reserved to indicate a smooth bore, while shishanes were rifled.

The lock on the other hand is not of the Boyliya type.

Teodor

Kubur 18th July 2016 09:03 PM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21532
The lock is very Caucasian / Turkish to me.
Bulgaria, Turkey, Caucasus, I would call your gun, a Black sea rifle...

Best,
Kubur

estcrh 19th July 2016 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TVV
Given the length, I would call this a Boyliya (the name is derived from the word "boy", meaning a man's height). The shishanes tend to be shorter. Another main distiction is that boyliya is usually reserved to indicate a smooth bore, while shishanes were rifled.

The lock on the other hand is not of the Boyliya type.

Teodor

Thanks Teodor, it is a smooth bore, the barrel walls look quite thin.

estcrh 19th July 2016 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21532
The lock is very Caucasian / Turkish to me.
Bulgaria, Turkey, Caucasus, I would call your gun, a Black sea rifle...

Best,
Kubur

Thanks Kuber, I have never heard of a "Black Sea rifle", since it is a smooth bore I think it would technically not qualify as a rifle.

I am not good with the differences between locks, here is a detailed image if this is of any help.

Kubur 19th July 2016 09:09 AM

You are certainly right for the barrel.
I think that could be an Ottoman lock, the old ones are very similar to the Caucasian locks.

estcrh 19th July 2016 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur
You are certainly right for the barrel.
I think that could be an Ottoman lock, the old ones are very similar to the Caucasian locks.

Thanks Kuber, it has a very Ottoman shape, by all appearances this is quite an old musket.


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