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ganjawulung 15th June 2008 04:47 AM

MADURA ornamental hilts
 
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Another pics, of Madura ornamental hilts. Some old maduran hilts were carefully carved...

ganjawulung 15th June 2008 05:18 AM

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Another old Madura ornamental hilt, made of ivory...

ganjawulung 15th June 2008 09:17 AM

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This is the most common form of maduran (ivory) hilt, still ornamental but slimmer...

ganjawulung 15th June 2008 09:23 AM

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Madura ornamental ivory hilt too...

brekele 15th June 2008 09:59 AM

nice...very nice hilts.

VVV 15th June 2008 01:33 PM

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Nice hilts as well as interesting thread topic!
Here are two other variations of the Donoriko hilt.
I would love to see more variations of this hilt.

Michael

Marcokeris 15th June 2008 02:35 PM

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Nice hits Ganja and Michael
Michael some variations (one is ivory,other is timoho kendit,the last is the top of a wood hit from kraton)

VVV 18th June 2008 03:09 PM

Thanks for sharing Ganja and Marco!
Somebody else with a variation of this hilt?

Michael

A. G. Maisey 19th June 2008 01:11 AM

I possibly may be able to show some other variations, but I have not had the time to look at my Madura hilts, nor to photograph them.

Many years ago a friend who was associated with the kraton in Sumenep told me that hilts bearing the flying horse were Suminep origin, and hilts that bore the crown were Pamekesan origin.

Hilts that bore neither of these symbols could be from anywhere, and were probably the property of people who were not associated with either Suminep or Pamekesan.

A. G. Maisey 22nd June 2008 08:25 AM

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I have now had time to select a few Madura hilts for posting here. I've had a look at something more than 100 Madura hilts, and I have selected a few that I consider to be a little different to most, in some way or another.
Each hilt is shown in two dimensions and each hilt is the subject of a separate post.

A. G. Maisey 22nd June 2008 08:26 AM

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Hilt 2

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Hilt 3

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Hilt 4

A. G. Maisey 22nd June 2008 08:31 AM

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Hilt 5

A. G. Maisey 22nd June 2008 08:32 AM

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Hilt 6

A. G. Maisey 22nd June 2008 08:33 AM

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Hilt 7

A. G. Maisey 22nd June 2008 08:34 AM

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Hilt 8

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Hilt 9

A. G. Maisey 22nd June 2008 08:36 AM

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Hilt 10

A. G. Maisey 22nd June 2008 08:37 AM

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Hilt 11

A. G. Maisey 22nd June 2008 08:39 AM

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Hilt 12

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Hilt 13

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Hilt 14

A. G. Maisey 22nd June 2008 08:42 AM

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Hilt 15

A. G. Maisey 22nd June 2008 08:43 AM

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Hilt 16

A. G. Maisey 22nd June 2008 08:46 AM

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Hilt 17

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Hilt 18

A. G. Maisey 22nd June 2008 08:50 AM

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Last one for moment

Marcokeris 22nd June 2008 10:37 AM

Nice hits. N.8 i like a lot

jonng 22nd June 2008 02:18 PM

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Here's another motif.

ganjawulung 22nd June 2008 05:34 PM

Thanks a lot
 
Michael, Marco, Alan and Jonng, thanks a lot for your beautiful pics of maduran hilts. Very useful comparison...

Ganjawulung

A. G. Maisey 22nd June 2008 11:36 PM

I selected these hilts for posting because, as I have said, each hilt is a little bit different in some way from the usual run of Madura hilts. I paid no attention to quality, only to whether there was something a bit different in form or motif.When we come down one level, and look at the individual components of the various motifs, some of the inclusions in Madura hilt motifs can create much food for thought.

Rick 23rd June 2008 12:37 AM

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Here is yet another . ;) :)

ganjawulung 23rd June 2008 02:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey
Many years ago a friend who was associated with the kraton in Sumenep told me that hilts bearing the flying horse were Suminep origin, and hilts that bore the crown were Pamekesan origin.

Thank you, Rick. Not only cock'c head. Sometimes I see a horse head hilt too. And the ornament bearing figure of flying horse as Alan mentioned, called by maduran: "kuda panolih" (picture below), and also crown ornament in another one...

ganjawulung 23rd June 2008 03:08 AM

Horse-head Hilt
 
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And this picture below, a contemporary Maduran hilt, a horse-head hilt...

VVV 23rd June 2008 07:58 AM

Thanks all for sharing.

I am puzzled by the bird-headed Janggelan hilts (# 3, 11, 15 of Alan's hilts).
It's strange that I haven't seen them represented in the European old collections.
Could they be later than the other variations, did they became more popular after independence or are they just much more rare?

Michael

A. G. Maisey 23rd June 2008 08:56 AM

Pretty scarce things, Michael. Some of the hilts I've posted here are about as rare as you can get, I've got well over 100 Madura hilts, I've been collecting hilts for as long as I've collected keris. A couple of what I've shown here are probably not going to be seen anywhere else.I can assure you that you are not looking at recent hilts.

Marcokeris 23rd June 2008 11:30 AM

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Here another (Maybe the pattern of the top of this kind of Madura hits comes from a parrot's beck ;) )

BluErf 23rd June 2008 04:43 PM

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Hilt 2

Many beautiful hilts! Thanks to all for sharing. I've always wondered how come there are so many loose Madurese hilts around, and so little of them attached to Madurese kerises?

Regarding this hilt 2 from Alan, I would like to ask if the selut/mendak is a Madurese style?

Thanks.

A. G. Maisey 23rd June 2008 11:29 PM

The selut + mendak on #2 is made in one piece, that is, the selut is not separate to the mendak.The mendak section of this fitting is similar to some Madura mendak that I have. However, although this fitting is old, it does not appear to be as old as the hilt, and the patination under the selut seems to indicate that originally a different selut may have been fitted.I do not think that this fitting can be regarded as typical of a Madura style, even though it does give some indication that it is of Madura manufacture.


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