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manteris1 1st April 2013 09:47 PM

A couple new items for comment
 
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A little sword and a little knife from one I believe is Klewang and another Sewar. Or..........................?........thanks....... ..........jimmy

kai 2nd April 2013 10:18 AM

Hello Jimmy,

The longer one looks like a pedang from Sunda. I hope Amuk Murugul can verify this and let us know the specific local name. BTW, what is the blade length?

The dagger is a pedang suduk (in Javanese; pedang tusuk in Indonesian). Is that wood or metal at the base of the blade? The hilt is unusual, anyway... From the pamor I wonder wether this might be Sunda, too?

Regards,
Kai

manteris1 2nd April 2013 04:17 PM

hi kai,

blade is 191/2", its wood...........................jimmy

Maurice 2nd April 2013 11:28 PM

Hello Jim,

Could you post an image of the dagger you have in the left corner above of lightbrown wood -> second from the right?

Thanks in advance,
Maurice

manteris1 3rd April 2013 04:07 AM

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hi, is this the one.......................jimmy

kai 9th April 2013 08:57 AM

Hello Jimmy,

I guess Maurice was hoping for a Borneo dagger... ;)

Looks more vintage than antique from the pics, doesn't it?

Blade crafted from monosteel or are laminations visible?

I can't place this one; am hoping someone else will chime in.

Best wishes,
Kai

Maurice 9th April 2013 09:53 AM

Hi Jim ( and Kai :) )

I totaly forgot to react... Sorry for that.

Thank you for posting the image of the dagger.

Kai was right: I hoped to see a south Borneo dagger...

Maurice

Amuk Murugul 11th April 2013 08:53 AM

Gobang Soelangkar & Badi Tjondre/Tjoendrik Tjirebonan
 
Hullo everybody! :)

Apologies for the late response.

I would accept both items as Soenda:

- The longer blade I'd classify as: Pedang Abet - Gobang Paoet Njere Soelangkar, or simply, Gobang Soelangkar.

- The shorter blade I'd classify as: Badi Tjondre (or Tjoendrik), or simply Badi.

The dress on both are typical Tjirebon. However, in yesteryear, Tjirebon encompassed such areas as Koeningan etc. and was 'influential' in such areas as Tegal and Banjoemas. Thus, I have used the term 'Tjirebonan' (= in the Tjirebon style).

Best,


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