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Sajen 17th July 2009 08:02 PM

In my opinion are this jurigan sheaths very attractive. You can find some with very fine and unique carvings.

sajen

Rick 18th July 2009 12:52 AM

I find the bird form wrongko fascinating and beautiful .
The lion is nicely done also .

Sajen 18th July 2009 01:18 AM

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A other jurigan sheat.

sajen

ganjawulung 18th July 2009 06:38 AM

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Similar type of handle. Small hilt for patrem...

GANJAWULUNG

ganjawulung 18th July 2009 06:42 AM

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The complete composition of the hilt, with medium size keris and javanese "sandhang walikat" (informal) type of warangka, made of "mangga hutan" (forest mango tree) wood...

GANJAWULUNG

ganjawulung 18th July 2009 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick
I find the bird form wrongko fascinating and beautiful .
The lion is nicely done also .

Yes, but I think David is right too -- the hilt is not well executed. Not good quality of carving. And I don't think this "lion" model is not a "serious model". I mean, not a standard model for traditional Maduran keris... A touristique model, but funny and cute -- especially the lion

GANJAWULUNG

David 18th July 2009 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung
Yes, but I think David is right too -- the hilt is not well executed. Not good quality of carving. And I don't think this "lion" model is not a "serious model". I mean, not a standard model for traditional Maduran keris... A touristique model, but funny and cute -- especially the lion

GANJAWULUNG

Just to qualify my earlier statement, yes, i think these were made for Dutch soldiers, but i really like them when they are well executed. They my be the first "tourist" keris, but i would still like to add a nice one to my collection sometime as i feel this is an important part of keris history and the history of Madura. :)

ganjawulung 19th July 2009 10:39 AM

Dutch Face with Moustache
 
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Originally Posted by David
Just to qualify my earlier statement, yes, i think these were made for Dutch soldiers, but i really like them when they are well executed. They my be the first "tourist" keris, but i would still like to add a nice one to my collection sometime as i feel this is an important part of keris history and the history of Madura. :)

Another Maduran "tourist" warangka and hilt... You may regard the "dutch face with moustache" on one side of the hilt...

GANJAWULUNG

ganjawulung 19th July 2009 10:42 AM

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Complete composition of Maduran hilt and sheath...

Sajen 26th July 2009 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung
Complete composition of Maduran hilt and sheath...


A very nice composition.

sajen

Rick 26th July 2009 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung
Another Maduran "tourist" warangka and hilt... You may regard the "dutch face with moustache" on one side of the hilt...

GANJAWULUNG

In the second picture ?

It looks more like a Lion to me; see the paws extended ?
Very Dutch whiskers though . ;) :D

Sajen 26th July 2009 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick
In the second picture ?

It looks more like a Lion to me; see the paws extended ?
Very Dutch whiskers though . ;) :D


Yes, looks like a lion with human face. Note the two pad in down from the face.

sajen

danny1976 11th February 2011 09:14 PM

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Bumping this old thread up with another variation.
hope we keep threads like this alive , because the are great for info and comparisation.

rasjid 21st May 2013 01:17 PM

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Two similar type donoriko carving with different style of carving and age (worn out).
Plus another type with european influence.

ganjawulung 2nd July 2013 12:17 PM

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Another European influence...?

A. G. Maisey 4th July 2013 04:51 AM

Probably.

But it seems that many if not most motifs in use in Javanese --- and we can read this to include Madura --- ornamental decoration are the result of some sort of influence:- Hindu, Chinese, Islamic, European. It could well be an interesting exercise to identify the indigenous motifs.

Alam Shah 12th November 2013 04:16 AM

Donoriko form
 
Back from the dead.. with a question. :D
The basic form of the Donoriko hilt, what does it represent? Did it evolved from another hilt type?

David 12th November 2013 05:22 AM

Hey Shahrial, is that hilt you were just showing on FB part of this thread. If not you should add it. :)
I can't really answer your question, but i've always suspected it is an abstract representation of an animal head. :shrug:

Alam Shah 12th November 2013 06:43 AM

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David, these are pictures of my hilt. The other ones I posted on fb belongs to a friend whom I've only had permission to post it there. From what I see it does have a resemblance to a Cirebon/Tegal Ganesha hilt form but with a flamboyant twist to it.

David 12th November 2013 01:55 PM

That's the one i was thinking about. Really nice patina on that and lovely detailed carving. :)

Alam Shah 13th November 2013 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by David
That's the one i was thinking about. Really nice patina on that and lovely detailed carving. :)

Thanks. Anyone have any idea what does 'Donoriko' means?

Marcokeris 13th November 2013 08:23 PM

a parrot?

David 13th November 2013 08:46 PM

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a parrot?

Well they never struck me as looking much like a parrot, especial front on where they look almost bovine in nature. :shrug:

tunggulametung 14th November 2013 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah
Thanks. Anyone have any idea what does 'Donoriko' means?

Good question. This reminds me a lot of Prambanan and Borobudur etymology :D

As a Javanese speaker of Central Java dialect, I would translate donoriko as:
dono/dana -- fund, money, gift, own, etc
riko/rika -- you (polite), especially certain areas East Java dialect
so it might means your precious (high language)
similar sounding words with almost similar meaning: (m)rika : over there (polite) especially Central Java

similar usage:
donorojo: name of several districts -- rojo = king
donowiro: generous -- wiro = hero, brave
donokromo: polite -- kromo = etiquette

Might have different meaning in the past too (name of a district where its originate, short version of other words for example wedono ing mriko, Old Java/Kawi, etc) but at least that is how I would translate at present.

As the object is originate from Madura, it might of course means totally different to a Madurese speaker :shrug: :)

jwkiernan 14th November 2013 06:10 PM

Donoriko Ukiran
 
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Beautiful hilts one and all! Here is a donoriko in ivory...unfortunately when I found it several years ago someone sanded a small area to see if it was ivory...guess they never heard of a heating a pin...regardless it does not take away rom the beauty or intricate carvings.

A. G. Maisey 24th November 2013 05:14 AM

My daughter-in-law's mother comes from Madura, she not Madurese, but Chinese, however she does speak Madura dialect, necessary, because of her business activities. Yesterday I spoke with her by phone. She has no idea of the meaning of "donoriko" and suggested that it might be Javanese rather than Madurese.

The little book on hilts that was published in 2003 by Suhartono Rahardjo mentions donoriko hilts as a Madurese form of the Javanese tunggaksemi hilt, but he does not give an explanation of the meaning of the word. Since he does give explanations that clarify meaning for other Madura hilts, maybe he couldn't get a precise meaning for donoriko either.

Perhaps it is possible that "donoriko" is a proper name that applies only to this form of hilt, and its origin has been lost in time.

I do have another Madura contact, but at the moment she is out of reach, when I get the opportunity I'll run this question past her.

Alam Shah 25th November 2013 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey
.. maybe he couldn't get a precise meaning for donoriko either.

Perhaps it is possible that "donoriko" is a proper name that applies only to this form of hilt, and its origin has been lost in time.

I do have another Madura contact, but at the moment she is out of reach, when I get the opportunity I'll run this question past her.

Thanks Alan for the effort. :)

A. G. Maisey 25th November 2013 11:28 AM

No effort mate. My wife is there at the moment, I rang my wife and because she is staying at our D-i-L's mother's house in Malang I used the opportunity to talk about this Madura thing.

David 19th November 2014 08:25 PM

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I am reviving this thread because i have finally added one of these chunkier donorika hilts to my collection. The carving is good, but we certainly have much better already posted here. However, i am curious about one particular element in the carving that i have yet to see on these and i wonder whether there are any other examples of this motif out there that we have yet to see. It might just be my imagination, but i have showed this to 4 different people who without the slightest hesitation identified the lower carving on the back of this donorika as a skull. The one above it also looks like a styled face/mask, but it is the skull that really interests me. I have never seen a skull motif on these before, but it seems pretty intentional to me. What do you folks think?
Though not quite pertinent to this thread i also posted a close-up of the pelet wrongko simply because it is one of the most attractive ones i have ever seen. The same stringy pattern continues down the stem invoking all kinds of interesting imagery. :)
Also, i am curious Alan, if you ever spoke to your other Madurese source regarding the word "donoriko". We never returned to that subject and i think there is still a lot to be learned about these hilts and their possible symbolism.

A. G. Maisey 20th November 2014 04:17 AM

Yes, I have actually asked several people I know who either are Madurese, or who have lived in Madura, and their responses were all pretty similar to that of my d-i-l's mother.

Further, Aswin Wirjadi ( Pesona Hulu Keris) writes:-

"Nobody knows for sure the etymology of the word donoriko, but there is an assumption that it came from the word jenariko; the word jenar meaning yellow, and riko meaning you. This may have been used to adore Putri Kuning, the yellow queen of Madura."

Maybe.

My own possibility of origin is perhaps no less extreme.

Dono = dana = wedana (spelling is "dana", pronunciation is "dono", or in the case of the unabbreviated word "wedono")

Riko can mean you, or yours, it can also mean "over there"

A wedana is a district head; these big flamboyant hilts are pretty much what one might expect to see an important official wearing.

I'm inclined to think that there is a connection between the donoriko hilt and a district head, or wedana.


As for the skull, I know of no established related motif, however, I am now pretty convinced that the donoriko and similar Madura and North Coast hilts are distillations of the ancestor motif, so if this floral decoration can be read as a skull, it may well be a reference to the ancestor who is hidden in the foliage.

Sajen 20th November 2014 07:03 PM

It seems that you have been busy recently! :D ;) Very nice Donoriko form and a beautiful pelet wrongko.

I also have added recently a Donoriko hilt to my collection, will take pictures at weekend and show them here.

Regards,
Detlef

Paul Duffy 20th November 2014 11:32 PM

May I also offer my thanks to all who have posted photos on this thread.The workmanship is usually of very high quality, and the hilts themselves are well worth seeing.

Jean 22nd November 2014 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jwkiernan
Beautiful hilts one and all! Here is a donoriko in ivory...unfortunately when I found it several years ago someone sanded a small area to see if it was ivory...guess they never heard of a heating a pin...regardless it does not take away rom the beauty or intricate carvings.

Hi,
IMO the whiter area on one side of your hilt is not because somebody sanded it to check if it was ivory but because the protruding "ear" was broken so he had to file it to make it smooth. The same happened on the other side of the "head" but earlier so the repair is not visible. You can clearly see the "ears" on the hilt posted by David.
Regards

Sajen 23rd November 2014 02:08 PM

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Here my new donoriko in ivory.

Sajen 23rd November 2014 02:11 PM

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Some more donoriko hilts.

Sajen 23rd November 2014 02:18 PM

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Some tumenggunan hilts.

Sajen 23rd November 2014 02:26 PM

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Here some of the same "family" from a other form, know someone the name for this form?

Jean 23rd November 2014 05:43 PM

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Another style of madurese hilt called topi (helmet) or pulasir (cuirassier).

David 23rd November 2014 06:48 PM

Nice collection of this style hilt Jean. Seems that Madura was more influenced by European iconography than any other area of Indonesia.

Jean 23rd November 2014 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by David
Nice collection of this style hilt Jean. Seems that Madura was more influenced by European iconography than any other area of Indonesia.

Thanks David. One reason for explaining the influence of European iconography in Madura may be that many Madurese were enlisted in the Dutch colonial army.
By the way I would like to know how to adjust the size of the embedded pictures in the posts in order to improve their presentation.
Regards


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