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rasdan 15th March 2005 05:45 AM

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Pak Rasdan can solve this mystery -- can you show a shot of the top of the hilt?
Sorry Pak Rahman, i dont have that picture. The keris belongs to Museum Negara in KL. The gold keris exhibition is still going on now and I took the pictures about 4-5 months back.

Alam - I think this is just a composite keris. Everything is wrong. Perhaps the dress were newly made and the tukang thought i may be cool like that. And mu opinion the mata may be javaneese or most likely south sumatran. If its javaneese it is most likely the tang of this keris had been cut to be fitted with a kerdas hilt.

Alam Shah 15th March 2005 08:55 AM

"semangat keris"
 
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Originally Posted by rasdan
Alam - I think this is just a composite keris. Everything is wrong. Perhaps the dress were newly made and the tukang thought i may be cool like that. And my opinion the mata may be javaneese or most likely south sumatran. If its javaneese it is most likely the tang of this keris had been cut to be fitted with a kerdas hilt.

Good observation on the tang difference.
According to some esoteric belief, a cut tang (or pesi), might weaken or destroy the strength of the initial spirit within ('hilang semangat keris'). ;)

rasdan 15th March 2005 09:30 AM

Some time ago i had a new Palembang piece. Its actually a javaneese keris fitted in a Palembang dress. The tang is obviously been cut away. Thats where i begin to observe that javaneese kerisses in Malay dress be it new or old, most of them had their tang shorten. Unless, of course it may not been cut if fitted with a taller jawa demam hilt. However we generally can observe that javaneese tang is much slenderer compared to Malay/Bugis etc tangs. Bottom line, before purchasing a keris, the tang size and length is really important. "Bugis" empus in Aeng Tong Tong already discovered this but then theres a lot more for them to learn. In a few years, they'll catch to the beat.

ganjawulung 8th October 2011 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DAHenkel
Kodi, as most of us know by now know, comes from the Javanese kodiat. It refers to a bundle of "20", in this case, kerises. These were trade blades made in Java for sale and sold in quantity. As with most things I should think they would have been of varying "quality" based on where and when they wer produced, as well as who produced them. Most would have been fairly average, a few probably less so and some may have been very nice indeed. Of course this can only be presumed as we know very little about the keris trade at this point.

Just another illustration, yes, "kodi" means a bundle of "20" in javanese term as Dave has said. Usually we use this "kodi" term in trading or buying clothes, or batiks in javanese markets like Pasar Klewer in Solo, or Pasar Beringharjo in Yogyakarta, Indonesia. One "kodi" of batiks or clothes, we just say it "sak kodi" or "sekodi" (one kodi), "rong kodi" (two kodi), "telung kodi" (three kodi) etc... The "kodi" items, or not so high quality of things on trade term, we use to call it "something kodian". If it subjects to batiks, then we call it "batik kodian", and if it subjects to keris, then "keris kodian". So, "kodian" is adjectif for certain trade things, not high quality ones...

Bugis Keris 4th April 2014 06:13 PM

This Kriss From North Sumatera. and this kriss familiar own by Batakness culture one culture of in indonesia in familiar with kriss is batak.
in usually the owner of this kriss in batak culture call Datuk.

Thank YOU

kerisbiz 7th June 2017 02:42 PM

This is original Bugis Kriss Lamba 15 from Bone, South Celebes
 
This is original Bugis Kriss Lamba 15 from Bone, South Celebes
I got from veteran soldier WW2... estimate 18 century... from 4 generations...

David 7th June 2017 03:05 PM

Hi Kerisbiz. I had to delete your link to your keris. All examples must be uploaded directly to the forum if you want to present your keris. This is because linked images disappear over time and leave sometimes large holes in our archived discussions. Thanks!

kai 9th June 2017 05:52 PM

The mods seem to enforce the rules more strictly recently - it definitely is important for keeping the info intact in the future as can be easily seen when browsing old threads which tend to have lots of dead links to pics that are dearly missing nowadays.

I do hope you give it another try to upload the pics to this site. If you experience any problems, just ask!

From what I can gather from your posting, I'd suggest to open a new thread for your keris rather than adding it to an old one - most pieces benefit from a dedicated discussion!

Regards,
Kai

David 9th June 2017 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kai
From what I can gather from your posting, I'd suggest to open a new thread for your keris rather than adding it to an old one - most pieces benefit from a dedicated discussion!

I would agree Kai, it would certainly make more sense to start a new thread on this than to resurrect this old one. ;)


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