Maybe a one only setup (composite), instead ?

Marriage?
 

Good morning to all.
Thank you for help with english term, Matchlock.

Fernando, of course the "naval sword" Ariel shows to us could be a composite one. The type is quickly done from old and new parts.
A final assessment of the authenticity by photo is not possible.

But the type (cat-head-pommel, shell, knuckleguard and short blade fit for cut) is not an individual case.
So I am going to view my images from the doge's palace, if there is the type in the this fantastic collection. If I find one or some, I will post it.

the last exemple from ariel reply is a venetian naval sword called "Fanti del Mar" , it is a nice exemple but composite and a later exemple...
they was used by the venetian infantry troups called like the sword fanti del mar in italian , actually lagunari in Venice ( a modern military section ).

Here one of my differents exemples I had . This one with venetian arsenal mark.

Eco :cool:
Bravo, Lorenzo ;) .

All righty!
 

Now I do not have to look for an example. ;)
Here it is!

Great piece, berber dagger. Now I am jealous.

How long is it overall?

some books exemple of schiavona's , fanti del mar , schiavonesca .

others .

Hello,
This exemple was 90 cm circa , but usualy they can be from 85 to 102 cm max the largest exemple I seen ... thank you

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It is serbian form of name Gregory
 

I'm impressed! Thank you very much for your help!

Hello, this is my very first post :-) Yes - this letters are so called Croatian Cyrilic used up to the end of XVIII cent. and it reads Grgur (Gregory). It is very common marking on 3-row late XVIII cent. schiavona hilts. This particullar schiavona is mounted with XVIII cent. Austrian pallosh blade - not uncommon at all.
Regards, Zlatko

Addition - you may find longer version of this inscription in E.Oakeshott: "European Weapons and Armour" page 189 fig. 87 - "Grgur majstor" - meaning Gregory artisan - indicating local hilt production in Dalmatia.

Welcome to the forum Zlatko :) .
Interesting observation on the Croatian Cyrilic inscription.
Have you any swords you would like to show us ?

Hi Zlatko,
The script on this Austrian mounted Pala has so far eluded translation, maybe you recognise the form? Oh, and welcome to the Forum, the nicest bunch of "eccentrics" :eek: you'll ever meet. ;) :D
Regards,
Norman.

Hi, yes I have several schiavonas in my collection.
For the start, here is the one with more elaborate hilt construction than usual
Early XVII cent, broad blade with short fuller, on both sides "marca di mosca" (Belluno?), iron pommel. Well proportioned and homogenuosus sword. Unfortunately previous owner used some acid to clean the sword :-(
Total length 105 cm; blade 90,5 cm; width 4,8 cm

Hi Norman,
unfortunately I do not recognize this characters :-(
They might be some talismanic magical signs or Russian Cyrilic - sorry.
Regards, Zlatko

Hi Zlatko,
Many thanks for taking the time to look. :)
My Regards,
Norman.

Great sword Zlatko,
Thanks a lot for sharing.
Listen, why don't you open a thread/s to post your collection examples ? ;)

A nice early Schiavone sword can anyone guess the smith, date, country?Thank you :-)
 

Hello fellow collectors can anyone ID this schiavone maker , date orgin country ? I see a running wolf with rose gold inlay reminance and the orb and cross has the same rose gold inlay. Can anyone shanre any information on this piece? The pommel is very nicely detailed also. Thank you :-)

Very nice. Early type. Anyone around to tell more about this piece ?

Thank you for the comment :-)

I can advance what i have learnt that, this type of basket hilt with one pair of diagonal bars, forming the so called 'single mouse stairs', is in principle from the 17th century.
The type of leather grip reminds me (?) the one i have:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=schiavona

thank you for the information and photos
 

Hello , nice variation ! Where did you find this piece? Very nice variation. I purchased my shiavona in Prauge from a collection of arms that was sold from Karlstejn Castlein in 1989. My grip is leather wrapped and appearsto be original. I will try to post better photos. The basket does look very much like yours :-)

In a local antique arms seller. It has previously belonged in a collection from a Lisbon arms historian.

ANOTHER NICE EXAMPLE POPPED UP ON ANOTHER POST AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO ADD SOME PICTURES OF IT HERE FOR REFERENCE. SAID TO BE 18TH CENTURY AND HAS A NICE LIONS FACE ON THE POMMEL

Speaking of lions; i have a paper written by a local guy in which he says that, (quote) although some historians describe the form of the Schiavona pommel as a cat's head, even wolf or others, more probably would be the form of a lion, more or less stylized. Mind the relation that Venice has with the Saint Marcos lion - symbol of power of that city (unquote).

Another Schiavona for consideration
 

Here are photos of another schiavona for consideration and member comments. I purchased this recently at auction because I love the look of schiavonas. This sword has some interesting characteristics. The auction description listed as 18th century in the style of 16th century. Based upon another member's comments about the mouse ladder of the guard, it appears to be after 1750. the overall length of the sword is 40 3/4 inches and the blade itself measures 34 1/2". The blade is also very interesting as it has an inscription "INTI DOMNNI" and a mark which appears to be the Passau wolf. I found a web link to an opinion about this inscription. The writer believes it means something like "my esteemed lord's gift or property". Based on an often displayed chart of the design of the wolf, it is from 16th century. If the blade is German, could this still be a Venetian schiavona or dalmation schiavona? The sword is in good condition except that the wire guard which attaches to the pommel seems to be broken. The pommel is in the cat's head design, but has a flower outline instead of a cat or lion's face as we have seen with other schiavonas. Also the grip may very well be a replacement since it is a wire wrapped style and not leather wrapped as would likely have been in original condition. So what does everyone think? Is this a composite sword with a blade from a different source, or is this an original sword with a replacement grip? Any ideas on true age based on the design? Thank you all very much for looking and providing your opinions and guidance. I am a brand new member and have just begun collecting in the last year.

Not my field of collecting, but I saw a few schiavona's in Genoa in Castel D'Albertis museum.

Best regards,
Willem

Beautiful. Thanks for sharing.

i've always thought they looked cool, but as noted earlier, the originals are well above my pay grade. especially in useable condition.

then their was the TV series 'The Three Musketeers', aside from their incredulous and horrendously inaccurate leather clothing/armour their rapiers were interesting. porthos' especially. he appears to carry a schiavona unlike the other two. (see attached photo)

of course, someone decided to cash in and make reasonable 'munitions' grade replicas for the reenactors market. i now have my schavona, the blade is HC steel, hardened , tempered and razor sharp. 1.5kg. it'll do as a place holder until i win the lottery. not a 'cats' head pommel, tho i did see one of the originals way above in this thread, post 46, labelled 93 (nr. 126) with a similar pommel.