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Gavin Nugent 23rd June 2009 02:17 PM

A Chinese pair
 
I'm pretty sure these would rate on the weird list and they are users.

http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/s061_full.html

Gav

kronckew 23rd June 2009 04:34 PM

that tis but a child's bat'leth

similar to the one used here in london
by the UK metropolitan police for crowd control.
http://scifiblog.net/wp-content/uplo...05/Batleth.jpg

Gavin Nugent 24th June 2009 12:16 PM

You there Captain...
 
Beam me up!!!

fearn 24th June 2009 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew
that tis but a child's bat'leth

similar to the one used here in london
by the UK metropolitan police for crowd control.
http://scifiblog.net/wp-content/uplo...05/Batleth.jpg

While we joke about it, it does make you wonder how far back such goofy blades go.

I'm not talking about the Chinese wheel weapons, exactly. I've got a pair of modern deer horn knives myself, and once upon a time I even learned a set for them. The martial artist who made those famous (Dong Hai Chuan, founder of baguazhang) worked as a tax collector in China, and he carried a pair of deer-horn knives prominently wherever he went. People knew of him by reputation, and knew about those knives, and (apparently) didn't give him much trouble. That's a useful kind of weapon.

No, I'm more thinking of things like that bat'leth, which is basically an art-piece turned into a mass-produced "martial arts" weapon, whether it's useful or not.

How long has this kind of thing been going on? How often were smiths inspired by some story or picture or other to make a weapon? Or how about those Chinese weapons that incorporate seven stars, rings, multiple tips and piercings, because one of the heroes in The Water Margin carried a sword like that? Has anyone got an old example?

F

Tim Simmons 24th June 2009 07:33 PM

That policemans expression is so cool you might even think he has been practasing in the mirror. No he has been dealing with scummers for too long and seen it all before. :shrug:

David 24th June 2009 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons
That policemans expression is so cool you might even think he has been practasing in the mirror. No he has been dealing with scummers for too long and seen it all before. :shrug:

Yeah Tim, i think he's probably thinking something like, "Really...you're using a Klingon weapon....seriously???"
Is this how they get around the sword ban in England? Fantasy alien weapons?
:rolleyes: :)

Rick 24th June 2009 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew
that tis but a child's bat'leth

similar to the one used here in london
by the UK metropolitan police for crowd control.
http://scifiblog.net/wp-content/uplo...05/Batleth.jpg

"Don't let me catch you with one of these . "

kronckew 25th June 2009 09:55 AM

in actuality, someone was caught robbing a convenience store with that, the police of course confiscated it. i understand two seven-elevens in the states were similarly robbed with bat'leths. obviously a major crime wave.
there is a variant called the sword of kahless that even more resembles the chinese single handed form, in that it also has a central point and a sigle hand grip area.
http://www.klingonimperialweaponsgui...wi/SOKplan.gif

i think someone on the star trek team must have visited an indian arms and armour museum, there are so many odd and unusual forms there including double ended. the chinese run a close second also. maybe a pre-industrial asian visit by klingon's ;)

i'd not be surprised at a similar ancient form.

Jussi M. 25th June 2009 08:50 PM

Any credit card you might have with a sharpened edge.

Hugely popular amongst the criminal population of Russia.

http://www.cashthechecks.com/wp-cont...edit-cards.jpg

fearn 25th June 2009 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew
in actuality, someone was caught robbing a convenience store with that, the police of course confiscated it. i understand two seven-elevens in the states were similarly robbed with bat'leths. obviously a major crime wave.
there is a variant called the sword of kahless that even more resembles the chinese single handed form, in that it also has a central point and a sigle hand grip area.

i think someone on the star trek team must have visited an indian arms and armour museum, there are so many odd and unusual forms there including double ended. the chinese run a close second also. maybe a pre-industrial asian visit by klingon's ;)

i'd not be surprised at a similar ancient form.

Hi Kronckew,

I'd guess Chinese. Most of the Star Trek people are based in California, especially LA and San Francisco. There's a thriving Chinese martial arts community here, but not a lot of Indian martial arts or their weapons. Based on simple proximity, I'd guess Chinese influences first.

Best,

F

KuKulzA28 26th June 2009 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fearn
Hi Kronckew,

I'd guess Chinese. Most of the Star Trek people are based in California, especially LA and San Francisco. There's a thriving Chinese martial arts community here, but not a lot of Indian martial arts or their weapons. Based on simple proximity, I'd guess Chinese influences first.

Best,

F

No intention to drag this further off topic from the original "weirdest blades" but it does seem that while Chinese, Japanese, and Korean arts have had their big boom, with Filipino arts coming close behind now... Indian and Indonesian martial arts haven't really grown in great popularity ..or at least are just beginning to. Ten years ago I've heard of Taekwondo, Mantis boxing, Wing Chun, Aikido, Jujutsu, etc. but not Arnis or Kali until a few years ago.. and I did not hear of any Silat in the Western World until more recently... and even more recently Kalaripayattu, Shastar Vidiya, and "Gatka". But now there's Maul Mornie (Silat Suffian Bela Diri) touring the world, teaching classes... there's a few Silat teachers in the US. There's Pencak Silat Sunda that is open for international students... Kalaripayattu schools are opening across southern India, and I believe one in Germany. And while the sparring-based Gatka has been around, Nihang Niddar Singh (Shaster Vidiya) is now teaching martial arts in the UK. Of course these arts have been around in their respective locations, but as for dissemination into the wider world, many did not until recently.

Very cool. Now... back on topic... :D

DaveA 6th March 2014 03:55 AM

Names, updated for posterity:
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Montino Bourbon
This one has a protective cover around it... I'm surprised that no one here thought of this!

And a finger knife, nasty little thing to keep hidden!


On the left, the wrist knife is called an "Ararait" of the Turkana tribe.
On the right, the finger knife is a variant of the Ngigolio knife of the Turkana, but bears some resemblance to the Corogat, and finger knife used by several tribes for extracting teeth.

For what its worth :shrug:

Dave A.


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