Leaf Patterned Bladed Moro Kris?

[Lew]

Hi Guys

You might have seen this one before I picked it up at Timonium. Ibeam was over at my house last week and noticed a leaf like pattern on this laminated blade. Here is a pic of it and you can see these leaf looking things going up the blade on either side? Also is there any way to clean up the solder on the baca baca?


Lew

[Spunjer]

nice kris, louie. would be interested to know what the filipino weapons experts to to say about it.

[Rick]

I'm no 'expert' :D but it has a very interesting gangya . Is the baca baca on the tail side made from wire ?
The 'leaf' marks are unusual and I wonder if they are intentional ; they certainly look so .
A light citrus etch might tell more .
A Mindanao sword from the look of the scabbard .

[Lew]

Hi Guys

I did a citrus etch and this is how it turned out. You can really get a good look at the pattern in the blade now.


Lew

[Battara]

Very interesting pattern. More etching might bring more out. I remember this Maguindanao piece at the show when you showed it to me.

[Ferguson]

Gorgeous!

Steve

[Bill]

Nice sword Lew, What are your thoughts? Do you think it has its original ganga. A work in progress, that never was completed, to the original owners hopes? From the pics, it looks like a quality 19thC blade, with early 20thC hilt, & the stirups were temps?

[Lew]

Hi Bill

The ganga are meant to be that way I have seen this type without file work before on a few examples mostly Maguindanao kris. The baca baca seem to have been either added or repeared at a later date do to the presents of some sloppy solder work. Everything else seems original to the kris which I place between 1900-1920s. The scabbard might be a later addition also?

Lew

[Rick]

Lew , other than the leaf shaped markings are there any indications that this blade is layer forged ?

[Bill]

Looks like the asang-asang that goes over the elephant, are 2 seperate peices of metal. If you think the solder was done early 20thC, my vote would be to leave it alone. To alter it you need to rub some flux on it, heat it with a soldering iron, not on the solder but ajoining metal, & then wipe with a stiff piece of cloth, canvas would be perfect. To totally remove it, no flux needed, just heat up & use an old paint brush to flick it off when you see it starts to melt, keep heating & flicking untill its gone. A large soldering iron should work, if not you can use a small torch, but I'd advise against it unless you're familar with using one, you might mark up the piece & the solder will splatter.

[Lew]

Rick

The blade is laminated it has a separate hardened inserted edge and I see some watering in other sections of the blade. Are you going to be attending the sword seminar at Ashokan this year with Lee Jones? If so I will bring it along for inspection.


Lew

[Bill]

should also note that any solder left in place will be real shiny for a couple of years & if the stirrup is copper alloy, the solder should melt first, but if you use a torch you may start to melt the stirrup very quickly.

[Lew]

Thanks Bill

Steve Ferguson sent me a site where I can buy solder wicking stuff that you just overlay and apply a solder iron and it should clean it up without a mess. Or I may just leave it alone?


Lew

[Rick]

Rick

The blade is laminated it has a separate hardened inserted edge and I see some watering in other sections of the blade. Are you going to be attending the sword seminar at Ashokan this year with Lee Jones? If so I will bring it along for inspection.


Lew

Hmmm , when and where is that Lew ?

[Lew]

Hmmm , when and where is that Lew ?

Rick

The seminar is held around the second weekend in September at the New Paltz field campus in Kingston N.Y. it's a friday evening all day saturday and through about 12:00pm sunday meals and lodging are included cost about $200 for the weekend. You can contact Lee for more info.

Lew

[Lee]

As there is a current discussion on a pattern-welded keris (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22828) I thought it might be worthwhile to reawaken this old thread of Lew's.

The darkened patches likened to veins of a leaf above are indeed iron inlays.

At first glance one thinks the blade is a single piece, but close examination does show there is a separate gangya with the seam from the angle largely hidden by one of the asang-asang. A number of additional images are included in the archive of Lew's collection (http://vikingsword.com/lew/w0140/w0140.html).