Langgai tinggang

[Dajak]

An very rare find this Langgai tingggang it comes with an utility knife not the normal pisa raout we normally see with the Parang Ilang .

The Handle has nice scroll and leech designs and headtrophy spirit
the area is Saribas .

The longest tail feather of a rhinoceros Hornbill is represented by the groove on the blade .

Also the metal bands indicate that this one is from the north part off Sarawak.

The scabbard on the front is heavy black/red hard wood .

Nice carrying band .

Indication off age is first part off the 19 centh.

Ben

[Maurice]

Wow Ben,


That is a rare find!
Did you grab it out of a museum at night when nobodys there? :)
(Well in Bronbeek I didn,t see such nice piece as you have).

I also like the shape of the scabbard. Never have seen such with that round looking shape which holds the sharp edge of the blade when it,s in the scabbard.
Also the attractive handle is one of the book!
Can you please post some pics of the handle from the side and back?

I,m looking forward to hold it once! (or twice, or more often).:D

Regards,
Maurice

[Dajak]

Hi Maurice even pieces like this are hard to find in museums .

It comes from an Dutch collection I have still to ask the history about it,
will let you know when you come over here to visit me .

I did get some very rare items from Borneo you will be surprised .



this is the typical Iban Handle that you can find in Saribas .

If you see this one in real you will be surprised from the heavy blade and that
it looks better than I get it on the pics .



Ben

[VVV]

A true beauty!

The scabbard is indeed unusual for a LT. Usually they are much more plain, if they have a scabbard left at all.
Unusually cubistic head on the handle too as well as the unorthodox (for a LT) protrusions on the top of the tip.
A very interesting and rare version of the already rare LT-parang - congratulations!

Michael

[Dajak]

Hi Michael


Thanks the handle is typical for the saribas area the Ibans there did use
this type in the book Iban Art from Heppel there are several nice Handle s
to see .

The scabbard is rare the krowit dissapear in the round wooden tube.
And also rare on Iban weapons are the pocket for the pisau raout.

Ben

[kronckew]

mine with a wooden grip isn't quite up to that standard....
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s231/kronckew/Dyak001.jpg
nice to hear they are rare....i think mine is a bit newer than most tho....

[VVV]

Here are the 2 other variations of krowit that could be seen on a LT.
I haven't seen any other variations than these 3 but maybe someone else has?

Michael

[Dajak]

Nice example s Michael can you show the complete blade .

I was this day with some famous collectors showing the Langgai tingang
and it was reconised that is from the Herbert Da Silva collection .

Wich was at christie's in Amsterdam in 2001 .


Ben

[Maurice]

Ben, thanks for the additional pics. I really like those handles. I myself have two of those handles with headfigures. (unfortunately not on a langgai tinggang).


It comes from an Dutch collection I have still to ask the history about it,
will let you know when you come over here to visit me .I thought the Netherlands should be a small country. It seemed to be bigger as I thought. I didn,t know the former owner! :D



I did get some very rare items from Borneo you will be surprised .I believe you, till next month!


If you see this one in real you will be surprised from the heavy blade and that
it looks better than I get it on the pics .I love the blades to be heavy. The heavier the better. And I now a seller who has problems the otherway around as you do. Better pics than in real! :confused: :D


Here are the 2 other variations of krowit that could be seen on a LT.
I haven't seen any other variations than these 3 but maybe someone else has? I wish I had Michael........at least one of the 3 depicted in this thread coming year????

[VVV]

Hi Ben,

Here are the blades.
But it was the krowit variations that were interesting.

Also my latest LT with the sellers e-Bay pictures.
The krowit variation is the same as Ben's but the blade isn't as nice as his.
The hilt however is quite unusual. I think it's old style West Kalimantan Iban.

Michael

[Tim Simmons]

The wire on the handle looks like zinc and copper? or is it a type of rattan?

[VVV]

It's rattan.

Michael

[Dajak]

Hi Michael the first 2 pieces are missing the fat metal below the handle that
we mostly see on the L T the one you will get has the metal below the Handle .

Are the 2 first ones have heavy blade's ??

It looks that those 2 are more an variation between the parang niabor / L T

can you send close upp pics off the handle s .


Ben

[VVV]

Hi Ben.

I already have the last one but I haven't had time to take my own pictures of it.
The "missing" fat metal is common but not something that always is there.
The LT in the museum of Nijmegen for instance doesn't have it either.
That one also has a triangular crowit resembling my first (and the one pictured in Iban Art).
All of them have thick shoulders and are quite heavy, but well balanced.
It's interesting that the one described in Shelford doesn't seem to have the crowit we usually associate with a LT?
There seems to be quite a variation of features on the LT, like the Ilang.
On the best one I have seen so far the crowit stands out even more than your other one
(the one that I owned for some years) and the blade is heavy decorated.

Michael

[asomotif]

Ben,

Very nice Langai Tinggai. I like the scabbard.
But as for the age you say : first part off the 19 centh.

Do you mean this to be between 1800 - 1850 ?

Best regards,
Willem

[Dajak]

Hi Ben.

I already have the last one but I haven't had time to take my own pictures of it.
The "missing" fat metal is common but not something that always is there.
The LT in the museum of Nijmegen for instance doesn't have it either.
That one also has a triangular crowit resembling my first (and the one pictured in Iban Art).
All of them have thick shoulders and are quite heavy, but well balanced.
It's interesting that the one described in Shelford doesn't seem to have the crowit we usually associate with a LT?
There seems to be quite a variation of features on the LT, like the Ilang.
On the best one I have seen so far the crowit stands out even more than your other one
(the one that I owned for some years) and the blade is heavy decorated.

Michael

Michael I think that the ones with the fat metal are a little closer to the parang niabor because we find the same just a little longer on the niabor also
the area has maybe something to do with it but the first handle is for sure Saribas area .

Shelford says about the lT that it is practically the same as the niabor with the handle of an parang Ilang .
And the niabor has the fat metal below the handle.

(I am glad that the other one LT is back after years with you .)

can you make some nice pics about your last LT

Ben

Ben

[VVV]

Yes, the other one of yours is a top piece too.
I agree that the LT and the Parang Nyabur are very close to each other but as usual some individual variations show up now and then.
For instance the crowit of my LT #2 is very close to a kundieng of the Nyabur.
It's too dark here now and I am almost never at home during daylight.
So it will take some time before I will take pictures of the last months acquisitions.

Michael

[Dajak]

Hi Michael

Yes that is the strange about it they are closer with that to an Niabor .

So difficult with the variations .

But always nice to know that they are there .


Ben

[Dajak]

Arjan can you put some pics off your LT on this thread .




Ben

[VVV]

While waiting for Arjan's pictures here are some of the LT I only had eBay pictures of before.
The blade, which I have cleaned, is very plain without any engravings.
The hilt is quite unusual too.

Michael

[Dajak]

Hi Michael nice blade .

I have seen this type off handle before it is Iban for sure .

Ben

[VVV]

Thanks for the confirmation Ben!

Any more LTs to add?
Arjan?

Michael

[Mytribalworld]

Thanks for the confirmation Ben!

Any more LTs to add?
Arjan?

Michael

Hi , I will add it soon , but on an other website ;)

[Dajak]

Hi , I will add it soon , but on an other website ;)



Aah you gonna try to sell it .


Ben

[Maurice]

Aah you gonna try to sell it .


Ben

:)

[asomotif]

:)

Will it be on Maurice's website soon :confused: ;)

[Maurice]

Will it be on Maurice's website soon :confused: ;)And maybe from Maurice,s website to Willems flea market soon?:shrug: :)

[Mytribalworld]

And maybe from Maurice,s website to Willems flea market soon?:shrug: :)

Guy's guy's,

I said what I said,
I meant what I meant.
About my rare sword
many words can be spend.
It will for sure go away.
but let it be first be X-Mass day.


From The Netherlands ´´Een heel gelukkig kerstfeest !``!!!!

[Dajak]

Hi Arjan it is only for information to show your LT here we ask you to put
some pics .(we don't mind you gonna sell it later on )

So we like to see it .




Thanks Ben

Ben

[Mytribalworld]

Hi Arjan it is only for information to show your LT here we ask you to put
some pics .(we don't mind you gonna sell it later on )

So we like to see it .




Thanks Ben

Ben

Hi Ben,

Actually I thougth that I could make some time but I feel sorry but its not easy to combine all my tasks these days ... so wait some days , sorry. :shrug:

[asomotif]

I thought that I could make some time

Oh those lovely X-mas days, filled with family and food :) :)
And hardly any time to check the web :(

HAPPY X-MAS

Noelle, noelle, jingle bells jingle bells, tidings of comfort and joy comfort and joy, All I want for X-mas is you, I don't want a lot for X-mas, Oh kindeke klein oh kindeke teer, Komt allen tezamen etc etc etc ;)

[Dajak]

[QUOTE=asomotif]Oh those lovely X-mas days, filled with family and food :) :)
And hardly any time to check the web :(

Nou je bent er wel vaak op jonge .

Merry Christmas

Ben

[Mytribalworld]

here some pics finally....others are in the swap

[Dajak]

Nice do others have an LT like to see them

I like this LT better in real than on the pics.

I am glad that he is in my collection now thanks Arjan .



Ben

[Maurice]

Congrats with this great piece!!!:cool:

[Dajak]

Hi Maurice thanks it is very hard to get an LT and this one is really an very
nice one old scabbard old type Iban handle .
And the blade very nice.



Ben

[Maurice]

Hi Maurice thanks it is very hard to get an LT
yeahyeah I know !!
My back hurts from sleeping on the couch. :rolleyes:

Maurice

[VVV]

Congratulations to another great LT Ben.
Because it was up for sale I didn't want to comment it earlier.

Michael

[asomotif]

You didn't want to say it is a great LT because it was up for sale. :)

I am sure that Arjan would not have mind positive comments ;)

[VVV]

Well, anybody could see that this is a great LT, even if they haven't seen any before!
But according to forum rules I didn't think we were allowed to comment weapons that were for sale at the Swap forum?

Michael

[asomotif]

Hello Michael,

Just kidding ;)

And indeed you don't have to be a specialist to see the quality of this LT.
It is very harmonic in shape patina etc.

[Dajak]

Hi there

No one else beside Micheal and me has an Lingai Tingang ????


Ben

[asomotif]

Ben,

Langgai Tinggang might become something like the pakayun...
In the end they can be only found hanging on your wall :D :D :D ;)

[kronckew]

ah, well, i still like mine, at least till i can get an older one. :p

[VVV]

ah, well, i still like mine, at least till i can get an older one. :p

I am sorry but yours is not a LT but a hybride parang with a mix of characteristics from several classic parang.

Michael

[kronckew]

I am sorry but yours is not a LT but a hybride parang with a mix of characteristics from several classic parang.

Michael

ah, well, at least i know now...

[Dajak]

Ben,

Langgai Tinggang might become something like the pakayun...
In the end they can be only found hanging on your wall :D :D :D ;)


Willem I have only just 10 pakayuns .

Ben

[asomotif]

only just 10 pakayuns .

Ok, it so will take some time before you get to 10 langgai Tinggangs.

[Dajak]

I think the LT is much more rare than I even thought on the moment
I only know that Michael has some .
So I will not get to the 10 Willem or are you hiding a few .




Ben

[asomotif]

or are you hiding a few .

I wish I were... :D

[Dajak]

Here an pic off an LT from the Volkenkundig museum van Nijmegen in the Depot this museum is closed .

Ben

[VVV]

That's an interesting variation, maybe a small boy's LT? :D
To me it looks too small on the picture to be a real LT?
Do you have a picture of the complete parang so we can see the rest of the proportions?

Michael

[Dajak]

Hi Michael I can send it to you maybe you can resize it to put it on the forum.


Ben

[VVV]

Ben, please do so.

Michael

[Maurice]

Here are the 2 other variations of krowit that could be seen on a LT.
I haven't seen any other variations than these 3 but maybe someone else has?

MichaelHi Michael,

is this another variation, or should we consider this not to be a LT but some kind of variant or transition piece?

Maurice

[VVV]

Hi Maurice,

It looks like a "Stefan-variation" but as you have made your own pictures of it I assume it's no longer for sale.
I think it's a LT-variation #3 as I don't put weight on the added crowit features surrounding the kundieng. But that's just my ideas...

Nice buy!

Michael

[Maurice]

Hi Michael,

What I specially like is the similarity in the hilts.
The LT you have with a similar kundieng, has also a similar hilt as mine.
The faces are carved very shallowly.
I put them together for better comparison.

I was surprised when I opened the package. It was better as I thought it was from the images. The balance feels great! Better than a regular mandau!

Best regards,
Maurice

[VVV]

Hi again,

I think you have mixed up my hilt and the kundieng #3.
Below is the matching hilt. The hilt you have attached is to the #1 version - the most common one.
Yours look really nice, much better than anticipated on the seller's pictures.

Michael

[Maurice]

Yes Michael, indeed a mix up.
Sorry I commented too fast, before looking more carefully!
But the hilts do have similarities (both of them which I depicted, besides the different kundieng).

Maurice