Sword from Java or Sumatra/blade inscribed with words

[Harold]

I have a sword with a blade inscribed with words. I would like to know its origin and also a translation of the words inscribed on the blade.
See pictures.

Thanks.

Harold

[Gavin Nugent]

Welcome Harold, I don't know what the script says but I do like your sword, very nice, thanks for posting it.

Gav

[RSWORD]

You have an Indonesian Pedang and the script appears Arabic so hopefully one of the forumites versed in Arabic can translate for you. Very nice sword.

[Dom]

the script appears Arabic
yes, the script is in Arabic :D
some concerns for the translation due to a poor or none methodology
to assemble the 9 pic's :shrug:
thanks to provide; 1) sequence 2) direction of sequence
and may be, you could get a translation :p

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Dom

[Harold]

yes, the script is in Arabic :D
some concerns for the translation due to a poor or none methodology
to assemble the 9 pic's :shrug:
thanks to provide; 1) sequence 2) direction of sequence
and may be, you could get a translation :p

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Dom
Dear Dom,

Please find stated below a better view on blade with the script.

Many thanks for your help.

Harold

[Dom]

Hi Harold

one side is already clear :D
- Side A

the mention is issued from the Holy Qur'an

the chapter concerned is the 20th (Ta'ha - one of the numerous Mohamed names)
and the verses (sourates) are;
- 107/108/109/110/111/112 all complet
- 113 a part

just in case of .. here a site with all chapters/verses with their translation in several languages
http://www.yabiladi.com/coran/sourat-20-100-en.html

few time for the other side, but as the Holy Qur'an is huge :eek:
we have to find the mention concerned, not very easy :rolleyes:

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Dom

[Harold]

The Achenese Peudeueng - by John Crosby about the long sword of Aceh, Sumatra. When you find an article of him at http://home.comcast.net/~jtcrosby/Aceh.html
and see the part of so the pictures at "Some pictures of the azimat in that sword handle" " between the 2 stars is known as "Khatimus Sulaiman"

On side B you will also find a star there where the blade starts.

By the way many thanks for your investigation, so far.

R.

Harold

[Dom]

Hi Harold

- Side B
second side is ready .. nearly :o
nearly, because;
- the fisrt sentence start by "Bismillah al rahman al rahim" either
"In the name of God, most Gracious, most Compassionate" (بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم)
what is following is too much difficult to linked to a chapter ... sorry :shrug:

that concern just that first sentence,
for the two (2) others sentences,
it's again mentions issued from the Holy Qur'an

the chapter concerned is the 3rd (Al-i'Imran)(family name of Mary)
and the verses (sourates) are;
- 1111/112 all complet

(extracted from/Encyclopedic Theosophical Glossary)
"Khatimus Sulaiman" is knows as also "Solomon's Seal"
in India called the sign of Vishnu, where it "is the emblem of the Trimurti three in one.
The triangle with its apex upward indicates the male principle, downward the female; the two typifying, at the same time, spirit and matter."
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1729/sealsl3.th.gif (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sealsl3.gif)

very commun in all aspects of occult protection in Islamic religion,
even if it's forbidden by the religion :rolleyes:

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Dom

[Harold]

Who can confirm if this sword indeed comes from Atjeh?
I received the following remark from someone who knows a lot of Atjeh:
" A small detail in favour of the sword being from Aceh is the use of suasa (mixture of gold and copper on the hilt. That was a favourite decorative metal of the Acehnese. Mind you, my knowledge of swords from other parts of Sumatra is very limited, so take that with a grain of salt."

Thanks,

Harold

PS Thanks for your help Dom.

[asomotif]

Hello Forumites,

Anyone around that can give some info on the fittings of this sword. :confused:

Based on the blade and the crossguard, I would say Javanese pedang

But the scabbard and handle are not in Javanese styl (IMV(ery)HO :D )

Personally these fittings make me think of chinese swords.
But I am sure there are some forumites that can correct on on this.

Any help ?

Best regards,
Willem

[CharlesS]

The blade style here certainly seems pedang lurus-like in appearance, but almost moves to be a more yataghan-like tusuk form.

While the hilt and scabbard are not typically Javanese in appearance, I would hazard a guess that they are an artist's interpretations of an "art deco" decor for an otherwise traditional sword.

I agree that it probably is Javanese and likely comparatively late, not much more than 100 years old, if that.

It is a lovely, and graceful piece.