Moro twisted core and Turkish Ribbon

[Flavio]

Hi all, I wonder if anyone can tell me more about the similarities between the moro twisted core pattern on some kriss and the "turkish ribbon" on some yatagans. Thank you :)

[Richard Furrer]

Flavio,
If you are looking for a cultural exchange that shows an original "inventor" and spread of technique then you will find nothing.
Given the time and a large enough sample body many techniques thought invented by one culture will show up in another...that same is true of pattern-welded patterns.

Ric

[Flavio]

Hello Richard,

first of all, thank you for your reply, second sorry for my first unclear post :p Yes i'm agree with you that is very difficult, if not impossible, that were be a cultural exchange beetween moro and turkish smiths. My question is more on tecnique: is only the final result similar or also the techniques are the same? Thank you :)

[Lee]

I believe the basic technique is essentially the same: twisted rods of stacked contrasting materials, and is seen as well in some Chinese sabers and in European materials from Celtic to Viking Age. Variation may be seen in how deeply the twisted rod is ground away: herringbone is seen at the periphery and "stars" at the core and in the size and composition of the rods. More on that is here (http://www.vikingsword.com/fimo.pdf). I will try and get some pictures up this weekend, for now here are two (http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/pat06.html).

[Flavio]

Thank you very much Lee :)

[rand]

Hey Lee,

Totally agree with you... That Fimo File was great, you can how a pattern can be developed.

Thanks,

rand