PISO PONDANG ? Comments Appreciated

[katana]

Hi,
I have just added this to my collection, a nice looking Piso Podang....I think....Looks genuinely old and used ....the fuller runs to the point, suggesting tip damage in its past.
Not certain, whether the blade is European, Indian or local :shrug: I do not have the sword 'to hand', so for now, the sellers pictures will have to suffice.

Comments greatly appreciated

[Rick]

I don't believe that's a piso podang Katana; quillons on a piso are usually flattened at the ends .
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3074&highlight=piso+podang

Not sure how this sword would be classified . :confused:

I'll bet Jens knows . ;) :D

[Flavio]

Hi David, I agree with Rick. Could be a pulwar????? :confused:

[Lew]

Not a piso podang. Could be a pulwar or an older 17th or 18 century tulwar.

Lew

[ward]

Tulwar. No downward quillons

[katana]

Thankyou all for your input. :)

I didn't think this was a Pulwar because, as Ward has already mentioned, the quillions were not 'upturned' towards the blade.
Never considered this to be a Tulwar because of the lack of curveature of the blade. A Ferengi 'minus' the 'basket hilt' was a possibillity. But the overall impression was that this sword was a Piso Podang......now I am totally confused :confused:

Lew, you suggested 17thC - 18th C , is that due to the hilt design ?

[Henk]

Certainly not a piso podang.

The hilt is the hilt form you see on the tulwar. A straight bladed tulwar or even maybe a firangi. Firangi means foreign blade.

You have to search in the tulwar region.

[Battara]

I'm in the tulwar party.

[katana]

Sword has arrived, the dimensions do suit a piso podang...

Blade is approx 25" (63cms) long, 3cms (1.25") wide at hilt and 4mm thick.
The blade is very old, some minor forging flaws, 2 narrow, shallow fullers running under the spine with a wider,deeper fuller approx. midway along the blade.All fullers are forged not ground out. False edged for 4" (10cms) . Overall length just over 30" (76cms)
A fast lively sword POB 9cms from hilt. Tiny amount of very faint etching survives on one side of the blade near hilt, possibly foliage
Likely the blade is very old European...but not certain. The Langets have a rivet (a steel rivet through a brass one) which secure them to the blade. A feature I have not seen before. Unlike many tulwar hilts this is comfortable to hold.
This sword has a few, old battle scars :cool: .

Now I am totally confused :shrug:

All comments gratefully received, thank you :)

[Battara]

STill does not fit the piso pedang hilt. For example it is missing the cup a the end and hilts are not pierced. Looks early Indian.

[Henk]

Hi Katana,

I still go for the Tulwar or Firangi party.

Look at this thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=844
Especialy the third one.

It certainly isn't a Piso Podang. I'm very sure of it.

[katana]

Hi,
thankyou for all your help :) .........I have got a PM which states the sword is a ......

"...17th century mahrattan Indian sword missing the whole of the basket hand and knuckle guard which would have sat down on the ridge that you can see at the bottom of the grip, they often are missing."

Would anyone have an example or information of a similar sword, thank you

Regards David