19th Century Manding Dagger For Comment?

[Lew]

Picked this one up today. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSAA:US:11&Item=290119817604


Lew

[Tim Simmons]

I was watching this. Nice knife. I have to say I was a little put off by the stated postal cost for within the UK. :o

[Flavio]

Nice example of a quite rare dagger :)

[Lew]

I was watching this. Nice knife. I have to say I was a little put off by the stated postal cost for within the UK. :o

Tim

I paid 7.50 pounds for shipping to the USA sounds ok to me unless he wanted that much for local shipping also?

Lew

[Tim Simmons]

Lew it is a really nice buy. The seller wanted £7 post local. Also somebody like you might have push me up to my maximum. I have my eyes on something else ;) .

[Ferguson]

Nice Lew!

Steve

[CharlesS]

Sweet!....Now my ivory hilted Sudanese piece is safe for a while!! :p

Very nice piece, indeed.

[Lew]

The dagger arrived today. The blade seems to have been made from an old machete which was a and still is a common practice in Africa. Really nice work on the blade hilt and pommel it exhibits a lovely old patina.

Lew

[Jim McDougall]

I agree with the other observations on this piece....very nice!!:)

What factors identify this dagger as Manding? The sabres are of course instantly recognizable, but not as familiar with the daggers. Is the tassle at the tip a Manding feature?

I always wonder about the large X marking also. It seems that a key component of folk religion in material cultural symbolism in North Africa pertains to the four directions, four corners of the earth etc. Is that the likely case here? I have seen the X on a scabbard on one of those mysterious 'Berber' sabres and recalling that prompted that question.

Best regards,
Jim

[Lew]

I agree with the other observations on this piece....very nice!!:)

What factors identify this dagger as Manding? The sabres are of course instantly recognizable, but not as familiar with the daggers. Is the tassle at the tip a Manding feature?



Best regards,
Jim

Jim

I believe what identifies these more than anything else is the leather work on the scabbard. After seeing a number of fine examples at museums,shows and in books you just develope an eye for the finer details. Although the leather work on the older swords and daggers (19th century pieces) seems to be of a finer quality than those of the early to mid 20th century at least in my opinion. Below is a good quality 19th century sword with similar leather work quality as found on the above dagger.

Lew

[Jim McDougall]

Hi Lew,
Thank you so much for the info on that and the photo of the sabre. I see what you mean on the leatherwork, which really is excellent, and the ribs seem consistant. I think maybe the fact that earlier work in the 19th c. may have been produced more singularly than the stepped up production and quality diffused by volume in the 20th. They dont make nuthin' like they used to !! :)

I recall years ago talking with a gentleman who was Fulani from Guinea and showing him a photo of a Manding sabre, and asked what name it was called by. He told me they called it a 'kota', which is probably some more generic term in Fulani, but thought it may be applicable as the Fulani are of course established in Mali and Manding regions.

Any thoughts on the inscribed X ? Is the tassle a feature confined to the Manding ?

All the best,
Jim

[Lew]

Jim

X is a line art african symbol sign from the ivory coast meaning life everlasting. The ivory coast (officially the republic of cote d`ivoire) is adjacent to mali, burkina faso, liberia and guinea. I guess that would be a good symbol to have on a weapon when you are going into battle ;)

http://www.fotosearch.com/eclecticollections/signs-symbols/ECC115/17/

Lew

[Jim McDougall]

Hi Lew,
Outstanding info on the X marking, thank you so much!! It seems I have seen similar symbol on the scabbard of one of those so called 'Berber' sabres.
All the best,
Jim