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galvano
18th March 2007, 05:15 PM
Hello.
Here a new kindjal.
I did not determine the origin. Your opinion.
Overall length 42 cm.
Length of the blade 30 cm.
Handle in horn.
Can somebody it translate the writing?
ariel
18th March 2007, 07:43 PM
The decorations are not Caucasian: look Turkish or Syrian to me.
1235H translates into 1819-1820 Gregorian. Old bugger...
galvano
19th March 2007, 07:25 PM
many thanks ariel (excuse my english)
galvano
Yannis
20th March 2007, 12:07 PM
The metal band that connects throat and tip of the scabbard was common to Balkan kindjals. Also the decoration is similar to early 20th century weapons from the area. It could be from what is today Greece, Bulgaria, FYROM and that days Ottoman Macedonia. The blade looks earlier and from other origin
ariel
20th March 2007, 04:07 PM
The same feature, ie connecting band, can be seen on authentic Caucasian Kindjals as well.
I can see your point about the decoration, but it is so bloody meager that I would hesitate pinpointing the exact region.
Can we agree on "Ottoman"? :)
Yannis
21st March 2007, 11:01 AM
Ottoman is fine :D
Do you agree that it is around 1900? And probably the blade earlier?
ariel
21st March 2007, 01:24 PM
Isn't id dated " 235"? Likely, 1235 H, ie 1819 Gregorian
Battara
21st March 2007, 07:10 PM
I agree that the blade is older. Some of the work on the mounts do look newer, done on white metal (nickel silver) from the looks of it.
galvano
21st March 2007, 08:19 PM
a true police investigation.

Thank you for your assistance
galvano
galvano
22nd March 2007, 07:36 PM
hi
battara, nickel silver= 1820
galvano
janti
23rd June 2007, 04:21 PM
Hi all, its a circassian kindjal ( 18th century ) who lives in jordan.
I saw many of them in jordan.
TVV
23rd June 2007, 07:02 PM
I am with Yannis on this one. The fittings look Balkan to me, and later to the blade. To me it looks like it might have been recently restored, as there are skilled craftsmen in Bulgaria and I am sure all other Balkan countries that do such work. I have attached a picture of a kama I have and another picture of a kama from the calendar of a reenactment society, both modern and made by the same bladesmith.
Also, keep in mind that there were plenty of Circassians in the Balkans, relocated there by the Ottomans in the 19th century.
Regards,
Teodor

http://www.boinaslava.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10005/normal_kama02a.JPG