View Full Version : ZULU?? SHONA?? HELP!!
roanoa
29th September 2006, 12:19 AM
Hi guys. Need your help on this one. I collect Ethiopian "stuff", but I could not resist buying this one as I thought it was SOOO neat. The shield is of course Zulu and the spear on the right looks like an assegai to me. I am puzzled by the mace and the other spear. They both have very nice and elaborate braiding of copper and brass wire on their shafts. And the mace is studded all around. What do you make of this? This display was assembled in Scotland quite a few years back. Are these four items of the same ethnic source? Thanks, RON
roanoa
29th September 2006, 12:26 AM
Here are the pictures.....
Emanuel
29th September 2006, 02:36 AM
Wooha! that's a sweet mace :eek: :eek: :D
Now I REALLY want to start collecting African clubs. I saw a similar club with studs on ebay once...it was advertized as Zulu. So are these museum or did you get them?
Congrats if you did!
Emanuel
roanoa
29th September 2006, 03:36 AM
Yep! Bought this display a few years back.
The Double D
29th September 2006, 06:17 AM
Pleas show how the blade is attached to the haft on the right spear. Also show the butts and blades of both.
Can you alson show the back of the shield. What is the height and width of the shield.
That is neat set, I wouldn't care what it is, I would have it in my house.
roanoa
29th September 2006, 07:05 AM
Hi. Shield is 54cms x 78cms. Got some pixs before my battery gave up... Here is blade and butt of spear on left. The butt end has a miniature blade (tip is covered by one of the studs) pointy but not sharp. Spear on right has no swelling at the butt and blade tang is wrapped with iron (?) wire. What do you think? Cheers, RON
Flavio
29th September 2006, 08:51 AM
Complimenti Roano!!! Very beautiful set!!! I never seen a zulu spear like the one on the left!!! It's also very nice the stand!!!
Lew
29th September 2006, 11:13 AM
Hi Guys
They look Shona to me and not Zulu. Have never seen a Zulu stabbing spear with a back spike?
Lew
The Double D
29th September 2006, 05:16 PM
From A.T. Bryant The Zulu People:Then there was the shield-maker. There were several varieties of shield—war-shields (isiHlangu), hunting-shields (iHubelo), dance-shields (IHawu), and simple dress or promenad-ing-shields (umDlela ; iNgcayi). Several of these might be cut from the one hide ; which, of course, was supplied by the customer. For the large war-shields, the thickest part of the hide, along the back, was selected. After the beast had been slaughtered, and while the hide was still wet from the body, the owner cut out pieces sufficiently large for the shields he wanted, and pegged them out to dry. When thoroughly dry, the pieces were buried beneath the dampened earth inside the cattle-fold, and there left to supple for a day. After exhumation, they were well beaten everywhere on the inner (not hairy) side with a round stone pebble. At this point the professional shield-cutter was engaged, who from the rough pieces of material skilfully cut out the shields as ordered. Thereafter he made the usual double row of horizontal slits (iGdbelo), two inches broad and three-quarters of an inch apart, down the centre of the shield. In a vertical direction, over and under, these slits, he then slipped a couple of suitable strips of hide. This arrangement had the effect of doubling the thickness of the hide along the whole central part, where the shield was held and the stick-blows most frequently received. At the back of the shield, exactly down its centre, between the two rows of slits, a stick ran vertically along the whole length of the shield, being held in position by being passed beneath three or four horizontal, tightly fixed, leathern loops. This stick conferred on the shield perfect rigidity throughout its whole length. A separate leathern loop (isa-Ndla) was placed, running vertically, about the centre of the back, through which (and under the stick alongside) two or three fingers of the left hand were passed, when holding the shield.
Eileen Jensen Krige The Social Social System of the Zulu's Gives these descriptions of shields.
isiHlangu.War-shield, four and a half feet by two and a half feet.
iHuBelo. Large-sized shield used for hunting (smaller than
isiHlangu, larger than iHawu).
iHawu. Small shield, used at dances, two feet by one foot.
umBumbuluso. War-shield about three and a half feet long by two feet
wide, made in 1856 for Cetshwayo's followers against his brother MBulaze. More sturdy and less unwieldy than isiHlangu.
Gqoka.Small, neat shield for courting (twelve by eight inches).
Gabelomunye. Smallest shield (nine by nine inches).5
You should be able to see if your shield fits the Zulu pattern from this
roanoa
29th September 2006, 07:01 PM
Thanks, Double D. The shield is a little smaller than the umBumbuluso. Though it could be it if there is enough shrinkage. How consistent were the shields in terms of size? I'll post more detailed pictures of the back. I am mostly curious about the mace and the spear on the left. Any imput? Cheers, Ron
The Double D
29th September 2006, 07:30 PM
My guess is that these are not precise measurement given feet is used and not just inches. I don't think your shield is a umBumbuluso as I don't think your articles are Zulu. They are similiar, but then all these tribes in this are are somewhat related aren't they?
Now if your all sad and dejected because we said you stuff isn't Zulu, I'll send you my address so you can send the stuff to me for disposal. That should make you feel better, I know it will me. :D
roanoa
29th September 2006, 09:08 PM
Zulu, Shona, Mbedele??? As long as they are NOT Ethiopian, they are all the same to me!! Now, for the disposal of said items: I REALLY appreciate your kind offer to help. We'll have to agree about who pays for shipping.... Cheers, Ron
katana
29th September 2006, 09:21 PM
Hi Roanoa,
nice collection......I too have reservations as to these being Zulu...the spears seem to have Zulu characteristics, the binding for example, but their overall shape and design is 'different' to most Zulu spears I have seen.
The mace is great :D but I never seen this type attributed to the Zulu either. As you and Lew have pointed out. and DD hinted at...a neighbouring tribe seems likely....so the Shona could well the originators.
There is, I suppose, a possibility of some of these weapons could have been traded or adapted (from 'war trophies') Which, if were 'collected' from the Zulu and would have had thier origins 'elsewhere'.
Irrespective of all that........very ...VERY nice additions to anyone's collection ;)
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