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JeffS
28th October 2024, 04:39 AM
This just came in, I havent cleaned it yet. This is the second sword from that region I have with an 18th century date stamped, the previous (not shown) also has a VOC mark.
This one has a mark that looks like it may be intended to be a running animal. The year is upside down relative to the mark and blade orientation on one side. The year and mark is framed with two x marks. A few initial questions.
1. Does anyone recognize the western blade? Not much to go off of since it has been shortened and modified. Could it really be 1748?
2. Does anyone recognize the line drawing, is it a running animal?
3. The scabbard has a thick rawhide sleeve on the lower half of scabbard that terminates with a tube (something tubular is inserted there under the rawhide). Has anyone seen this rawhide treatment before? Any reason to not try to steam and straighten the bend?

Sajen
28th October 2024, 07:27 PM
Hi Jeff,

Nice Timor sword "type c", followed the description from Albert. I can't help with the blade but I know that it shows a "running wolf", an old Solingen mark.
I would try to ask in the European section about the blade, I guess that you will get more response over there.
Attached are my Timor swords type c.

Regards,
Detlef

Maurice
28th October 2024, 09:51 PM
Hi,

These blades were stamped 'trade blades' from the VOC, and low quality iron bought for instance in Japan.
The VOC stamped these low quality trade blades with a VOC stamp, chamber and date, to raise the value of their tradeware or because the VOC marks were expected on the blades by the Timorese traders.
The VOC members themselves had high quality blades, without VOC stamps, made and bought in Solingen (Germany).

Regards,
Maurice

JeffS
2nd November 2024, 03:23 AM
Hi,
These blades were stamped 'trade blades' from the VOC, and low quality iron bought for instance in Japan.
The VOC stamped these low quality trade blades with a VOC stamp, chamber and date, to raise the value of their tradeware or because the VOC marks were expected on the blades by the Timorese traders.
The VOC members themselves had high quality blades, without VOC stamps, made and bought in Solingen (Germany).

Regards,
Maurice

Thank you for the information. Here is a comparison with one that has VOC stamp (bottom three photos) and stamped 1741. The VOC blade shows irregular grain. I posted these in European forum for comment as well.