Opinion on an unusual dagger with wootz blade

[mahratt]

Hi guys

I would like to hear your opinion on which region this dagger belongs to. I think Persia. What do you think?

[Gonzoadler]

Hello,

this three blade folding mechanism reminds me of indian Katars, where we can see this sometimes, too.
So I would guess northern India is also a possibility. In my opinion, the artistical style doesn't speak against that, too. What do you think?

Regards
Robin

[mahratt]

Hello,

this three blade folding mechanism reminds me of indian Katars, where we can see this sometimes, too.
So I would guess northern India is also a possibility. In my opinion, the artistical style doesn't speak against that, too. What do you think?

Regards
Robin

Great idea!
I completely forgot about those "drop-downs" kathars.
Good version! But I'm confused by the high quality of wootz:
1) I can't remember any examples "drop-down" katars from high quality wootz
2) usually such a voots is considered Persian, unless of course I'm mistaken...

Best Wishes,
Dmitry

[ariel]

Persian swordsmiths were invited by the Moguls to serve at their court. It started at the end of 16th century and within the next 50-100 years Moghul swordsmiths fully adopted Persian techniques. Thus, the presence of sophisticated wootz pattern does not exclude North Indian origin.

[mahratt]

Persian swordsmiths were invited by the Moguls to serve at their court. It started at the end of 16th century and within the next 50-100 years Moghul swordsmiths fully adopted Persian techniques. Thus, the presence of sophisticated wootz pattern does not exclude North Indian origin.

Thanks for the clarification

[ariel]

You are welcome.

[gp]

might be even longer present in the Indian hemispheres ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wootz_steel

[ariel]

might be even longer present in the Indian hemispheres ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wootz_steel

Yes, Indians did produce wootz very early in history, but their wootz pattern was limited to the " salt-and-pepper" variety.
Complex wootz patterns ( Kara Khorasan, Kara Taban) were invented and mass produced in Persia alone till ~17th century when Persian bladesmiths relocated to the Mughal courts and instructed their Indian colleagues how to produce sophisticated patterns.

[mariusgmioc]

Are you very sure it is wootz and not pattern welded?

I am asking because I have seen pattern welded blades with very similar pattern to the one of this dagger.

Anyhow, whether pattern welded or wootz, I would go for India as origin.

[mahratt]

Are you very sure it is wootz and not pattern welded?

I am asking because I have seen pattern welded blades with very similar pattern to the one of this dagger.

Anyhow, whether pattern welded or wootz, I would go for India as origin.

Yes Marius. I agree.

The bird heads are very similar in style to the bird heads found on the crossbars of some Indian spears.