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apolaki
5th August 2022, 02:16 AM
Hi, I hope everyone is doing well! Can anyone tell me about these Keris hilts? I think they are deder from Java but more carving then I have usually seen on similar ones.
Jean
5th August 2022, 09:55 AM
Recently made hilts in fantasy Central Javanese style....:)
Marcokeris
5th August 2022, 12:20 PM
Yes! Deder from central Java...one good for patrem
Jean
5th August 2022, 01:21 PM
Hello Marco,
Are you Raspoutine actually?:D
I thought he was killed during last century?:confused:
Regards
A. G. Maisey
5th August 2022, 01:44 PM
Most are recent Jean, certainly, and the execution is not particularly good, but these are legitimate forms.
The smallish one looks as if it has a bit of age.
apolaki
5th August 2022, 03:55 PM
Thank you all!
Is there specific names or representations of each?
To me the 2nd hilt looks like a naga?
What is the form/design called for the last 2 that are geometric?
Marcokeris
5th August 2022, 04:11 PM
Hello Marco,
Are you Raspoutine actually?:D
I thought he was killed during last century?:confused:
Regards
:D:D:D
Marcokeris
5th August 2022, 04:17 PM
Thank you all!
Is there specific names or representations of each?
To me the 2nd hilt looks like a naga?
What is the form/design called for the last 2 that are geometric?
yes !
the first it's a "putri kinurung"
the second a "naga"
3 an 4: variation of "naradakanda"
David
6th August 2022, 03:18 PM
It would be helpful to see the others besides the naga form from a side angle as well. ;)
apolaki
6th August 2022, 05:29 PM
It would be helpful to see the others besides the naga form from a side angle as well. ;)
Hi David, here are the side angles. Also, I am interested to know about the difference between "Fantasy" creations and legitimate forms.
I obtained these because I liked the variety it shows in Javanese deder. If it were your collection, would these be something to add or pass on?
Also, are there anything unique about them in general?
Thanks again for all your insight
Marcokeris
6th August 2022, 06:15 PM
Hi David, here are the side angles. Also, I am interested to know about the difference between "Fantasy" creations and legitimate forms.
I obtained these because I liked the variety it shows in Javanese deder. If it were your collection, would these be something to add or pass on?
Also, are there anything unique about them in general?
Thanks again for all your insight
If was my collection, I would add the last two....but nothing unique. In fact i don't think these 4 deders are a fantasy creation.
Jean
6th August 2022, 06:45 PM
By "fantasy" I only meant "not standard" and I admit that they are not bad pieces although I would not collect them just because I am a classical collector. The smallest piece has some age indeed :)
Marcokeris
7th August 2022, 03:04 PM
two fantasies :)
David
7th August 2022, 08:18 PM
Still not seeing the "fantasy". ;)
A. G. Maisey
7th August 2022, 08:52 PM
Really Marco?
Or perhaps you mean in the archaic sense:- "with sense" (Oxford)
Marcokeris
7th August 2022, 10:46 PM
Really Marco?
Or perhaps you mean in the archaic sense:- "with sense" (Oxford)
yes, fantasies hilt are different.. but I think that all the hilts posted till now in this Apolaki post-page are not fantasies.
David
8th August 2022, 02:08 PM
yes, fantasies hilt are different.. but I think that all the hilts posted till now in this Apolaki post-page are not fantasies.
But why do you identify the hilts you posted as "two fantasies" then?
Marcokeris
8th August 2022, 06:47 PM
I wrote thinking about what Jean had written. I thought you understood. Instead I was wrong O:)
rasdan
9th August 2022, 12:39 AM
Hello Apolaki and everyone,
As far as I am concerned, the two rightmost handles are known as deder lempuyangan from Jogja. Lempuyang is a type of ginger and the hilt supposedly resemble the flower of the plant.
The one with the snake is known as deder sirah sawer. Sirah means head and sawer means snake. So sirah sawer means snake head.
Different people may call the hilts by different names.
David
9th August 2022, 01:44 PM
I wrote thinking about what Jean had written. I thought you understood. Instead I was wrong O:)
Thanks Marco. Perhaps a wink would have help me understand you were joking. ;)
Is that first hilt you posted whale bone?
Marcokeris
9th August 2022, 03:33 PM
Thanks Marco. Perhaps a wink would have help me understand you were joking. ;)
Is that first hilt you posted whale bone?
Yes David it's bone. But I honestly don't know what kind of bone :confused:
David
9th August 2022, 03:55 PM
Yes David it's bone. But I honestly don't know what kind of bone :confused:
It's a beautiful hilt! The dark markings are what make me think it might be whale bone. See this Maori whale bone wahaika for comparison.
Marcokeris
9th August 2022, 06:44 PM
Nice piece @@ ...you are right David.. they seem mare made by the same material
apolaki
9th August 2022, 07:02 PM
two fantasies :)
Wow thanks for sharing the photos Marco! I wonder if I were to polish my versions would they eventually become halus like yours? :) joking of course
Rick
10th August 2022, 12:20 AM
I agree, it's most likely Whale bone.
We find old Pilot whale (Blackfish) bones in the salt marsh we live on the edge of. These bones have lots of 'pores' visible.
Pilot whales strand on the barrier beach during the Fall and used to wash over into the marsh after storms; now the town comes out with a bulldozer and buries them.
Kino has a kampilan with a whale bone handle and guard.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8264&highlight=whale+bone+kampilan
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