Share your favorite laminated weapon!

[xasterix]

As the title suggests- among your weapons, what are your favorite laminated ones and why?

To start off- here's my kalis and kris, both of which have white-tinged laminations which glint when put to light. Not so clear on my cellphone camera, but you get the idea. I like them because of the contrast of the white-tinged areas on the rest of the blade and how it reflects on sunlight.

All laminated ethnographic weapons (not only blades) are welcome :)

[Rafngard]

One of my favorite gunongs, previously posted here, has an impressive laminated blade.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23088

Enjoy,
Leif

[mariusgmioc]

One of my favorites is a Georgian laminated qama.
Another of my favourites is a small yataghan in Turkish ribbon.
Last but not least is a Balinese wedhung (I cleaned and re-etched the blade, so now looks much better than in the photos).

[xasterix]

One of my favorite gunongs, previously posted here, has an impressive laminated blade.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23088

Enjoy,
Leif

Very nice Leif, I think that has nickel mixed in also. Great contrast!

[xasterix]

One of my favorites is a Georgian laminated qama.
Another of my favourites is a small yataghan in Turkish ribbon.
Last but not least is a Balinese wedhung (I cleaned and re-etched the blade, so now looks much better than in the photos).

Excellent laminations sir- the first two are great, but the wedhung is jaw-dropping, it's my first time to see one etched like that!

[Rafngard]

Here's some better pics, along with another nicely laminated gunong.

Thanks,
Leif

[A. G. Maisey]

This wedung pamor motif is a descendent of Dietrich Drescher's "Pamor Poleng", designed by Mr. Drescher and executed by Empu Pauzan Pusposukadgo of Surakarta.

This motif was later copied by the pandes of Aeng Tong-tong near Sumenep in Madura. I have a Madura keris bethok with the poleng motif.

[David]

This wedung pamor motif is a descendent of Dietrich Drescher's "Pamor Poleng", designed by Mr. Drescher and executed by Empu Pauzan Pusposukadgo of Surakarta.

This motif was later copied by the pandes of Aeng Tong-tong near Sumenep in Madura. I have a Madura keris bethok with the poleng motif.

Alan, can i assume you were addressing the wedung in Marius' post #3?

[A. G. Maisey]

Yes David

[A. G. Maisey]

Yes David


Here is a photo of a picture in a pamphlet of the original by Empu Pauzan.

This keris was presented to a Government Minister, Bapak Mengko Polkam H. Surono.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24665

[JustYS]

Alan, can i assume you were addressing the wedung in Marius' post #3?

Hi David,

Poleng motif or Kotak-kotak motif can be translated to Checkered motif.

I believe it is easier to remember if we know the meaning of the pamor's name.

Cheers,

[A. G. Maisey]

Here is my favourite laminated knife, not at all flamboyant, no fancy pattern welding, but over 4000 nominal layers of material, and it has been hardened & the temper drawn.

[Battara]

This is one gunong (that was stolen years ago) that I had with a very tight lamination:

[Battara]

Here is a Sulu kris I have, early, with an interesting double twist core.

[Gonzoadler]

My georgian Kindjal from the early 19th century is my favourite.

[SanibelSwassa]

Just got this piece from the auction of David’s collection. I am honored to be its keeper for a time.

[pindang]

Here’s a few with laminations… a kalis, barung, and a couple of spear heads.

[Lee]

Very nice! Those narrow light colored curving lines in the twist core (pattern-welded) panel of the left spear head will contain nickel.

[pindang]

Very nice! Those narrow light colored curving lines in the twist core (pattern-welded) panel of the left spear head will contain nickel.

Good eye Lee. The narrow light colored lines almost look chrome in person.

[Lee]

Just before the pandemic struck, I had performed a survey of my collection with an XRF analyzer. When we think of medieval Europe and twist-core patterns, iron with phosphorus was most often used to get the lighter colored areas. Modern bladesmiths will use nickel or nickel alloys (even meteorite). Interestingly, many of the Moro pieces show use of both materials. I hope to finish analyzing the data before too much longer, but your spear showed the feature ever so well. It could be chrome, but I doubt it as it looks like an item of respectable age. Thank you again for showing these.

[Ian]

Lee raises a very good point about the usefulness of X-Ray Fluorescence (XRF) in assessing the elemental composition of blades. While there are some technical issues with detecting certain elements, the technique is non-destructive and well suited to analyzing the surface of weapons. It offers important insight, for example, into the metals used in old blades. Look forward to seeing what the results turn up, Lee.

[Kurt]

Here is an example of a Kindjal blade.
Kurt

[Gonzoadler]

Great and rare piece, Kurt!:)

[Drabant1701]

When I bought this dagger it was very polihed but I thought I saw patterns in the steel. I etched and hoped for wootz, it was not. Even so I really like the pattern and how it transfers to the T-spine.

[Rick]

^^^
I'd love to see a picture of the entire piece. :)

[Drabant1701]

^^^
I'd love to see a picture of the entire piece. :)

Sure thing Rick :) Its a rather large dagger right around 50cm long.

[francantolin]

Amazing piece !!! I Love it !:)
Is the scabbard made of wootz ??

[Rick]

Wow!!
The blade looks like Bali pamor.
What did you etch it with?
Stunning.
Thank you.

[Drabant1701]

The scabbard is velvet on wood.
I etched with ferric cloride first and polished it. Then I did a final etch with hot instant coffe (very, very, VERY strong)for 30 minutes.
I have not gotten that to work on wootz sadly.

[francantolin]

The scabbard is velvet on wood.
I etched with ferric cloride first and polished it. Then I did a final etch with hot instant coffe (very, very, VERY strong)for 30 minutes.
I have not gotten that to work on wootz sadly.

On the pictures, I thought the scabbard was made of steel,

like this one, with a ''double blade''
here a decorative kard with hidden blade,
too fancy and a little toy-like but the damas seems to be real

[Rick]

One from the Keris world.

[thomas hauschild]

My favourites

[David]

One from the Keris world.
That is indeed a beaut Rick. And extraordinary pamor pattern paired with an unusual patterned pendok. Love it! :)

[David]

Here is another from the keris world, this one from Sumatra.

[A. G. Maisey]

Exceptional indeed Rick, and David, your example is about as good as it gets within its type also.

[JustYS]

One from the Keris world.

Gorgeous Keris Rick, is that Unthuk Banyu pamor?

Also the pendok is amazing.

[JustYS]

My humble collection: Surakarta and Madura

[Rick]

Gorgeous Keris Rick, is that Unthuk Banyu pamor?

Also the pendok is amazing.

It could be Unthuk Banyu Justy; my Western mind sees it as balls of string, and I have forgotten so much over the years. So many names and classifications for these patterns . :o

[A. G. Maisey]

This pamor of yours is Lawe Setukel, Rick.

Lawe Setukel means "tangled thread".

This particular form, and there are a number of ways for this pamor to be interpreted, is East Javanese.

It is a very, very select pamor, very few people are able to survive having custody of this pamor, it causes confusion in daily life, forgetfulness, and difficulty in completing tasks that have been planned and should be simple to perform.

There is a tale of an Indonesian Government Minister who was desperate to obtain a particular keris that had this pamor. He eventually did obtain it after great effort, and promptly went insane.

It is generally agreed that the safest course to take if one finds oneself in possession of a keris with Lawe Setukel pamor is to give it to somebody of advanced age, preferably over the age of eighty, for safe keeping.

The reasoning behind this is that these people of advanced age have so little to lose anyway that the evil force contained in Lawe Setukel pamor cannot bring itself to attack them.

[Kubur]

Hi Guys

What about this stuff?

:confused:

[Rick]

This pamor of yours is Lawe Setukel, Rick.

Lawe Setukel means "tangled thread".

This particular form, and there are a number of ways for this pamor to be interpreted, is East Javanese.

It is a very, very select pamor, very few people are able to survive having custody of this pamor, it causes confusion in daily life, forgetfulness, and difficulty in completing tasks that have been planned and should be simple to perform.

There is a tale of an Indonesian Government Minister who was desperate to obtain a particular keris that had this pamor. He eventually did obtain it after great effort, and promptly went insane.

It is generally agreed that the safest course to take if one finds oneself in possession of a keris with Lawe Setukel pamor is to give it to somebody of advanced age, preferably over the age of eighty, for safe keeping.

The reasoning behind this is that these people of advanced age have so little to lose anyway that the evil force contained in Lawe Setukel pamor cannot bring itself to attack them.

Now, he tells me. :rolleyes:
The dementia pamor. :eek:

[A. G. Maisey]

Better late than never Rick.

I was 80 last February --- always willing to help out an old mate.

[Rafngard]

If things from the Pamor side of the world are fair game now on this thread, he's a few favorites from my collection.

Have fun,
Leif

[DaveA]

Lee raises a very good point about the usefulness of X-Ray Fluorescence (XRF) in assessing the elemental composition of blades. While there are some technical issues with detecting certain elements, the technique is non-destructive and well suited to analyzing the surface of weapons. It offers important insight, for example, into the metals used in old blades. Look forward to seeing what the results turn up, Lee.

I assume that I cannot just order an XRF from Amazon. How does one obtain access to such a scientific instrument? Is there a home-built hack for this tech? Could be handy!

[David]

I assume that I cannot just order an XRF from Amazon. How does one obtain access to such a scientific instrument? Is there a home-built hack for this tech? Could be handy!
Just google them Dave. They are many companies making these and they are very easy to obtain...if you have a spare $15-20,000 laying around. LOL! :D

[Lee]

Dave, there are a number of companies that offer short term rentals of these instruments as they may be used for environmental toxin detection and also for minerals prospecting. Very often junkyards and brokers in precious metals will have units and they may be an economical source for a few scans of a particular object. The hard part, ultimately, may be interpreting the data.

[RSWORD]

Two of my favorite blades to add to the mix.

[Battara]

Rick love that pattern weld! :D

[JBG163]

Here is mine

[Battara]

I would LOVE a pattern laminated (or wootz) kora! :D

[Indio_Ira]

Here's three of mines.

A straight kris

Budiak moro spear

and a Kampilan.

Will post more detailed photos of each blades and spear to gain knowledge from all of you.

Thanks!