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gp
13th May 2021, 02:51 PM
first of all to our friends who indulge in sugar now:):

happy Eid el Fitr / Bayram mubarak Olsun

hope you and ofcouse other Forum members can help me as I am puzzled.

This dagger bought at an auction was described as :

Turkey - 19th century - dagger,
With wootz blade silver kofgary
Horn hilt , silver Leather scabbard

to me it could be 20th century as well but it certainly is Ottoman.
My question is ... from where..?
Some characteristics indicate perhaps Surmene ( the 2 small fullers at the blade) but the horn blade and more important the star/sun sign I have seen on Bosnian daggers, specially from Foca...

Any idea? Your opinion about the dagger in general is most highly appreciated ! thnx a lot
mariusgmioc
14th May 2021, 06:38 AM
Hello,

You mention wootz blade. Can you show us a photo with the wootz pattern please?

To me, the two grooves that go all the way up to the tip are an indication of a repurposed, bigger and older blade.
gp
14th May 2021, 04:23 PM
Hello,

You mention wootz blade. Can you show us a photo with the wootz pattern please?

To me, the two grooves that go all the way up to the tip are an indication of a repurposed, bigger and older blade.

Wootz blade was the seller’s description but as soon as I get the dagger, I shall certainly post more detailed pics. Thank you already for your first very interesting reaction. Makes me more eager to check the dagger upon arrival.
RSWORD
14th May 2021, 04:26 PM
Hello,

You mention wootz blade. Can you show us a photo with the wootz pattern please?

To me, the two grooves that go all the way up to the tip are an indication of a repurposed, bigger and older blade.

Probably a repurposed yataghan blade. The style, placement and decoration of the koftgari and fullering is typical of those blades.
Sajen
14th May 2021, 08:10 PM
I would concur with the Surmene attribution but I am not an expert! :shrug:
gp
22nd May 2021, 12:18 PM
just arrived and cleaned some dirt of scabbard and handle/grip with some virgin olive oil. The floral like decorations on the scabbard do let me remind of the scabbard of this bichaq: http://vikingsword.com/vb/showpost.php?p=256678&postcount=67
although the dagger (handle and blade) differs

Here are some pics. Looking forward very much again to your comments
gp
22nd May 2021, 12:21 PM
some more pics