sword blade, attribution aid

[Elmereya]

good afternoon, please help with attribution of this blade,
If possible, tell me what kind of hilt should be for this blade.
with respect.

the shank is reground, and there are later graffiti on the blade than those in the photo

[M ELEY]

Wow, we don't have much to go on with this one! I know that 6-sided blades such as this were very popular with Spanish swords of the 17th-early 19th century. Curiously, although fitted for Spanish swords, most of the blades at that time were made in Germany for export. If we assume it is made for the Spanish market and of the time period mentioned, this blade would have been made most likely for a Spanish bilbo pattern cavalry sword or possibly a dish/cup hilt broadsword. The markings tell us little, as the sun and moon symbols are used throughout Europe. This is just my opinion and I'll open the floor for others now! :D

[midelburgo]

I do not think this is for Spanish use. I would say German made for France or a minor German State. With the style of the ricasso, early XIX century. You do not give measurements but it could have been cut down.

[Elmereya]

good afternoon, thanks for the discussion,
dimensions: total length 85 cm. width at the base 27 mm. thickness at the base is 9 mm.
with respect

[Elmereya]

there are such museum swords dating from the graffiti on the blades in 1710, I'm not sure what can be compared with mine, but very similar in structure, the blades are probably also Solingen, for Russia?

[Elmereya]

here is one

[Elmereya]

here is the second one, I like it better

[Elmereya]

the first of these swords is in a museum in Belarus. second sword in the museum of Ukraine,
if anyone needs a link to an article about these swords, I can give.
I gave them as a similar example, please discuss mine ..

with respect

[Elmereya]

I could not find a single sword with a similar blade, except for these,
maybe someone has a photo of a sword with a similar blade? please share ..
with respect

[Dmitry]

here is one

This blade is engraved with the Russian two-headed eagle, and the inscription is VIVAT ZAR PETER. I can't make out the word underneath.

[Elmereya]

good afternoon, below Solingen and 1710
with respect

[Victrix]

Then the inscription must refer to Tsar Peter the Great. That sword must be desirable to Russian collectors. Swedish swords from the Great Nordic War command very high market prices.

[Dmitry]

Then the inscription must refer to Tsar Peter the Great. That sword must be desirable to Russian collectors. Swedish swords from the Great Nordic War command very high market prices.

I didn't think I had to clarify that it referenced Peter Romanov when I deciphered the inscription, but thank you.
The person who posted the photo says it's in a Belorussian museum. Which one?
He had posted several fake relic swords here previously. Are they also in a Belorussian museum?

[Elmereya]

Dmitriy ,
here is a link to the article from which I posted a photo, it is not translated into English, but I think you can read and explain your sarcasm
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[Elmereya]

,, ,, Which one?
He had posted several fake relic swords here previously. Are they also in a Belorussian museum?

This not normal ,
Dmitry, explain your position

[DhaDha]

Hello. This is outside of my usual scope of collecting but the sun reminds me of one I'm holding in to.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17822

[fernando]

Dmitry, you have a PM.

[Elmereya]

Hello. This is outside of my usual scope of collecting but the sun reminds me of one I'm holding in to.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17822

good afternoon, the sun of course is found on different blades in different versions and in combination with other symbols, which can also be drawn in different ways.
on the blade at the beginning of the theme, the sun and on the ricasso, do I see two stylized knights facing each other, between them a table, a bridge or a basilica? (drawing of what is left) on top of this at a later time the number VII.
if this image can be read differently, how?

[Elmereya]

I think that the blades of swords from museums that have shown in this topic come from the 17th century and had a ricasso-like blade at the beginning of the post and this sword with a basket hilt, and just converted at the beginning of the 18th century to be installed in a more fashionable hilt, (on the photo shows the remains of ricasso)

[Dmitry]

Dmitriy ,
here is a link to the article from which I posted a photo, it is not translated into English, but I think you can read and explain your sarcasm
https://docviewer.yandex.ru/view/53340985/?page=1&*=5jewD1Ur4TG%2Bslrpm6x7o26SCk97InVybCI6Imh0dHA6Ly 93d3cucmVlbmFjdG9yLnJ1L0FSSC9QREYvQm9icm92c2tpeV8w Mi5wZGYiLCJ0aXRsZSI6IkJvYnJvdnNraXlfMDIucGRmIiwibm 9pZnJhbWUiOnRydWUsInVpZCI6IjUzMzQwOTg1IiwidHMiOjE2 MTk1NDEyMTU4OTYsInl1IjoiODYzODM4MDExMTU2Mzc3Njc0Ny IsInNlcnBQYXJhbXMiOiJsYW5nPXJ1JnRtPTE2MTk1NDEwMDEm dGxkPXJ1Jm5hbWU9Qm9icm92c2tpeV8wMi5wZGYmdGV4dD0lRD ElODglRDAlQkYlRDAlQjAlRDAlQjMlRDAlQjArJUQwJUJFJUQw JUIxJUQxJTgwJUQwJUIwJUQwJUI3JUQxJTg2JUQwJUIwKzE3MT ArJUQwJUJGJUQwJUJFJUQwJUJCJUQxJTgyJUQwJUIwJUQwJUIy JUQwJUIwJnVybD1odHRwJTNBLy93d3cucmVlbmFjdG9yLnJ1L0 FSSC9QREYvQm9icm92c2tpeV8wMi5wZGYmbHI9MTA3MjkmbWlt ZT1wZGYmbDEwbj1ydSZ0eXBlPXRvdWNoJnNpZ249ZWE4OWVhYj ZjZTcyNDYwN2I2NmM1OGYyYThkMWU5OTcma2V5bm89MCJ9&lang=ru

There's no sarcasm. You posted 3 or 4 relic swords, which are in my opinion, not from the periods they are supposed to represent. This blade is obviously authentic. In peripheral museums that don't have arms and armor curators there are all kinds of things on display, with all kinds of wild attributions.
The blade you posted is narrow, suited more for an officer's sword than a munitions grade weapon. Any of those brass hilts would work. Good luck!

[Elmereya]

Ok , your opinion is clear, thanks for defining the blade