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RSWORD
29th August 2020, 02:30 PM
This sword has a few interesting features. The first is the stamp with Arabic inscription. I make out the numerals 1110 which would translate to roughly around 1688 on the Western calendar which seems a bit early for this blade but maybe not. Perhaps the date is based on a different calendar. Am hoping the inscription provides additional insights. This blade also has the faux European markings but the stamping is about as clear and precise as I have seen. Finally, the hilt motif is very interesting. The fish style motif seems to be a very strong Asian influence.
Looking forward to thoughts and hopefully a translation on the stamp. Thank you.
Norman McCormick
29th August 2020, 04:28 PM
Hi,
Stamps are quite reminiscent of these. This one belongs to Jens.
Regards,
Norman.
Norman McCormick
29th August 2020, 04:29 PM
Hi,
This one belongs to me.
Regards,
Norman.
ariel
29th August 2020, 06:01 PM
I think it is 1115.
Ian
29th August 2020, 09:18 PM
Perhaps this is easier to read. I think Ariel is right about the date--converts to 1698 Gregorian.
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RSWORD
30th August 2020, 03:33 AM
Hi,
Stamps are quite reminiscent of these. This one belongs to Jens.
Regards,
Norman.
Yes, Jens example also has the Faux European markings but I noticed under the langet his example also has a stamped cartouche. Would be interesting to see if they have similar translations.
RSWORD
30th August 2020, 03:34 AM
Hi,
This one belongs to me.
Regards,
Norman.
Nice looking sword. Thanks for sharing and good to see another example of this blade mark.
RSWORD
30th August 2020, 03:34 AM
Perhaps this is easier to read. I think Ariel is right about the date--converts to 1698 Gregorian.
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Thanks Ian. Yes, that does make it easier and hopefully someone will be able to translate.
RSWORD
30th August 2020, 03:35 AM
I think it is 1115.
Thanks Ariel.
Jens Nordlunde
31st August 2020, 11:48 AM
Nice tulwar.
The text in the round staamp says 'Ibrahim'.
RSWORD
1st September 2020, 01:04 PM
Nice tulwar.
The text in the round staamp says 'Ibrahim'.
Thanks Jen. I appreciate the info on the stamp on your blade. Hopefully someone will be able to translate mine.
mariusgmioc
1st September 2020, 02:03 PM
Hello,
The date in the cartouche may have a different meaning, like the year when the swordsmith shop was founded... maybe... :shrug:
A.alnakkas
1st September 2020, 04:44 PM
Hey Rick,
I cant understand but I can transliterate
I think it says عالمكمرث
or
عالمكرث
Alamkarth or Alamkamarth
Beautiful sword btw
kwiatek
1st September 2020, 05:22 PM
It says
عالمگیر شاهی *۱۱۱۵
“ ‘Alamgir Shahi 1115”
‘Alamgir was the regnal name of Aurangzeb and the title ‘Alamgir Shahi was used for officers in his service. The year 1115 AH = 1703-4 AD.
RSWORD
1st September 2020, 08:49 PM
It says
عالمگیر شاهی *۱۱۱۵
“ ‘Alamgir Shahi 1115”
‘Alamgir was the regnal name of Aurangzeb and the title ‘Alamgir Shahi was used for officers in his service. The year 1115 AH = 1703-4 AD.
Thank you very much Kwiatek! This is very helpful information and really nails down the time period for this blade.
mariusgmioc
2nd September 2020, 10:19 AM
Anyhow, these blades are are looking great... excepting that they appear to be somehow over-cleaned.
Also considering their age, there is a good chance they are wootz.
So, if they were mine, I would do some polishing and etching to try and reveal the wootz pattern (if there is any), or to give the blade some patina, more consistent with its age.
Norman McCormick
2nd September 2020, 06:25 PM
Anyhow, these blades are are looking great... excepting that they appear to be somehow over-cleaned.
Hi,
I suspect you are referring to the sword that belongs to me. I would heartily agree with you but unfortunately in this case the hilt of the sword was covered in black and gold paint and the blade had been attacked with a grinder hence the 'restoration' process was a lot more agressive than normal.
Regards,
Norman.
mariusgmioc
4th September 2020, 09:09 AM
Hello Norman,
Yes, I know that sometimes the blade needs some additional polishing to remove the scars from previous abuse.
It still is a lovely blade! :)
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