Arabic swords , Wootz Persian ? Ottoman , Saudi Saif??

[phil.reid]

Hello Chaps, First time on here
Just purchased these 2 Arabic? swords. Not an area im really across but they were sooo pretty had to buy, saw them 8 months ago in a collection and kicking myself for not grabbing then as they had some new storage rust which has damaged the wootz surface. If anyone is able to help me with these? region, dating, script (bone material ??) Id greatly appreciate!
Many thanks in advance for your expertise and happy to post other photos if required ( tried to cover as best i could on a rainy Perth day)
cheers
Phil

[Battara]

I would say that for sure the blade with the cartouches looks to be a Persian trade blade at least.

[Drabant1701]

Very nice! I really like the chiseled crossguard on the top one. Imo they are both persian, ivory hilts, 18th century and for sure wootz both of them :shrug:

[mariusgmioc]

Both Persian Shamshirs, but their age is uncertain.

They are both in need of some cleaning and etching and then you may know more based on the quality of the wootz.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21732

[Kubur]

Yes maybe 19th c. The one with the golden cartouches is very good.

[phil.reid]

Both Persian Shamshirs, but their age is uncertain.

They are both in need of some cleaning and etching and then you may know more based on the quality of the wootz.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21732

Thanks for the advice on cleaning, very helpful