Ritual tibetan ewer ?

[francantolin]

Hello everybody,

I got this ewer/teapot, (height 35cm )
I think it 's a tibetan model made of copper and brass.
I wonder what is the use of the central hole ?
An incense or flower burner place ?
I didn't find the same model on internet

Idem no idea about age: old piece or recent chinese/indian copy ?

Any comment is welcome

Thank you !!

[francantolin]

;)

[Kmaddock]

Hi
Maybe you put hot stone and or charcoal in the hole and it smoldered away.
Problem with ashes then falling into the drink you are pouring out though?
Just a taught
Ken

[kronckew]

You'd likely melt the solder they used to stick it together in the 1970's if you tried to heat it, more than ash would fall in your drink. It's a 'ceremonial' piece in the Chinese/Tibetan style made mostly for tourists as a decoration.

[francantolin]

Hello,

Thank you Ken, interesting idea the central hole used as a heater.

Yes the mix copper-brass looks like most of the late 20th teapot-ewer we can find on ebay but I haven't seen pieces ( old or recents)
with this central toric shape and the central receptacle,
just fantasy of the craftsman ?

[kahnjar1]

https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjdlJenn6jdAhVGiLwKHexvCnIQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fro.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F3540955 89447220108%2F&psig=AOvVaw26HRmXfn3potLDkux8DpSK&ust=1536387423270258
Sorry I don't think the link works. If you GOOGLE EWER INCENSE BURNER you will see one almost identical to your one.
Stu

[francantolin]

Hello,

Thank you , the same shape on etsy.com, ( ewer burner )

Than you all for this Net-ewer-hunting !
;)

[Helleri]

You'd likely melt the solder they used to stick it together in the 1970's if you tried to heat it, more than ash would fall in your drink. It's a 'ceremonial' piece in the Chinese/Tibetan style made mostly for tourists as a decoration.

While embers from charcoal or wood can be charged with air to radiate at temperatures that could easily melt that solder. They tend to smolder for hours at much lower temperatures. Additionally they develop a coke caking once let to cool for a few minutes that greatly insulates them. I've no doubt that it would be safe to drop a few embers in that chamber that have been allowed to cake first. As experience with using a similarly constructed samovar I once owned taught me.

Additionally the fluid inside would diffuse a lot of the heat into it (as temperature differentials between substance wants to find a state of equalization). It would really just have a hot spot directly under where the ember rested, which likely would never even have the chance to radiate significantly out to the solder at the edge before the heat of it is sapped off by the fluid inside and more evenly distributed throughout the piece.

I do suspect that such a vessel was never place over an open flame. Also I would think that the any embers placed in it would not have been done so with the intent of heating fluid in it from a cooled state.

What I would think here is that already heated liquid would be poured into the vessel and then caked embers would be placed inside that chamber to keep that liquid at an acceptable temperature for a longer period of time (much in the same way a samovar is ideally used).

I also wouldn't be surprised if a few fresh aromatic herbs or incense were tossed in there as well. The phrase "Why not both?" comes to mind.