Caucasian Khanjar or Beibut dagger ?

[francantolin]

Hello,

I have just bought this dagger in an auction on internet

the hilt shape look like a kindjal hilt ( seems made of horn )
the curved blade looks like a beibut dagger blade or a khanjar .

The scabbard ending mount has an ''ottoman/greek'' style
( made of brass ? )

so I make a ''mix'' between these informations and opt for a caucasian origin.

What do you think ?
All comments are welcomed.

I'll post better pictures when I'll receive it.

Kind regards

Franco

[francantolin]

I just found this dagger picture on internet,
said to be a kurdish dagger,

the scabbard is really similar,

the hilt ...hum...

[francantolin]

Maybe a japanese hirschfanger ?... ;)

No one has got/seen a dagger like this one ?

[Kubur]

Kurdish khanjar from Turkey very much influenced by Caucasian as you wrote
interesting

[francantolin]

Hello and thank you Kubur,

I'll post interesting picture ( I hope !) when i'll receive it.

Kind regards

[ariel]

Kindjals with curved blade are called Bebut in Russia, There was even a military variant of such a weapon with Bebut as its official name.
I have no idea what is the meaning of this name.
Anybody knows?

[francantolin]

Hello everybody,
I don't know too what bebut-beibut means
( I thought just maybe dagger or knife but it isn't...)

Just received the dagger,
really nice !!
turkish-kurdish khanjar as Kubur said,

I cleaned the scabbard, nice surprise, it's silver mounted.
The blade is interesting and a bit strange:
it's an heavy blade and on one side only,
the fuller seems to have been ''blued''.

[francantolin]

For the scabbard,
does anybody know the meaning of the fittings shape ?

Kind regards !

[francantolin]

I cleaned the blade too...

[francantolin]

I used first sandpaper 400 then 600, 1000 and finish with 1500.
Still remains scratches/stripes...

A damas blade ?

Or just a rough old sharpening ?

I hesitate to etch the blade gently ( with lemon/ vinegar ?... )

Advices welcomed !!

[Richard G]

In my experience many of these Kurdish Jambiyas have a watered blade. I would give it a go, you can always polish it out if you're not happy. A lot of etchants seem to leave a brown/yellow tinge. I have found that if, after stabilising, black boot polish is smeared on the blade and then vigorously polished off it leaves a pleasant dark hue to the blade.
Best wishes
Richard

[motan]

Hi Francantolin,
To me, it does not look Caucasian nor Turkish. In my view this is either Syrian Kurdish or from Iraq, very close to Syria. I say this because of the shape of the hilt and the blade with one central fuller. So, the dagger looks Syrian or thereabout, but the sheath is 100% Iraqi. This is my personal opinion and I have no literature to back it.

[ariel]

I have found that if, after stabilising, black boot polish is smeared on the blade and then vigorously polished off it leaves a pleasant dark hue to the blade.
Best wishes
Richard

Never even thought of it!
One lives, one learns.
Thanks!

[ariel]

I hesitate to etch the blade gently ( with lemon/ vinegar ?... )

Advices welcomed !!

Nital, 2%.
You can get it on Amazon, but all companies I tried to contact were ready to ship it only to a commercial address.
A friend of mine, who is a VP of a metalworking company, buys it for me.
If you have connections with chemistry lab, metal working company, professional blademaker etc, you are in luck.
No yucky brown stuff of ferric chloride!

[francantolin]

Thank you all !!

I'll try to find Nital 2%,
don't seems easy to find.

I work in an highschool; I will ask my colleague teaching physical if they have nitric acid in the laboratory and mix it with ethanol...( sure glasses, gloves and laboratory fume hood).
We'll see ...

[francantolin]

Hello,

I found concentrated chlorydric acid ( 20%) but no nitric acid,
I read it attacks strongly iron,
Do you think it can be used too ? ( 1-2 % ?)
:confused: