unknown powder flask

[Wodimi]

Dear all, today I've a question. I bought this powder flask as an African flask, but I'm total unsure if that is right. There are big similarities to some Moroccan powder flasks, but something say me it's not. Any idea or similar example?

[kahnjar1]

My thinking is Afghanistan. Pic of similar shape flask from there is attached. What does the back of your flask look like? VERY nice flask by the way.
Stu

[Wodimi]

thanks for your input and mine looks on the back like yours. A wooden body covered with leather.
I'm a little bit confused, because I found in the net a flask with nearly the same shape, but complete iron. In that case they say German 16th cent.
https://www.aspireauctions.com/#!/catalog/58/322/lot/11579

[kahnjar1]

thanks for your input and mine looks on the back like yours. A wooden body covered with leather.
I'm a little bit confused, because I found in the net a flask with nearly the same shape, but complete iron. In that case they say German 16th cent.
https://www.aspireauctions.com/#!/catalog/58/322/lot/11579
I see your point but really the only similarity is the shape. No doubt the Auction House is accurate in it's description???? Often they are not, though IMHO in this case the decoration certainly LOOKS European.
I stick with Afghani for my flask and yours.
As a matter of interest, is there a powder cut off, and how does it function?
Stu

[Wodimi]

I think you're right with your points, it sounds logic and also right there is no powder cut off, also it has never been there.
If not Africa/Morocco I should overthink to sell it, even it's a real beauty and with good age.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Great question and close to call... Here are some leather covered studded Moroccan flasks. Apparently Berber. :shrug:

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[Wodimi]

nice bottles Ibrahiim, congratulation. Are they really leather covered? I know them only complete made of wood including the upper long tube.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

nice bottles Ibrahiim, congratulation. Are they really leather covered? I know them only complete made of wood including the upper long tube.


I agree wood. :shrug:

[rickystl]

Hi Wodimi.

As for the flask that you originally posted, I agree with Stu. The spout and iron work look Afghan. Something interesting to note is the pour spout being positioned about 60 degrees from vertical. I believe this was so the spout would be positioned away from the torso while on horse/camel back.
You will note that many of these flasks have a carrying ring on each side of the flask, and a third device at the center back of the flask. I believe this center device was used to hang the flask from a hook on the waist belt while riding. And the shoulder strap so the flask would not be lost, or while on foot. Much the way a sword belt works.
The last two wooden flasks posted I believe one or both to be Algerian.
Anyway, nice Afghan flask in a style you don't generally see.

Rick

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Here is another ~ said to be Ottoman leather powder flask and belt pouch, 19th century, possibly North African, the circular flask having a silver metal spout, decorative medallion, and silver nail studs, 3"h x 5"w x 8"d; the pouch with applied silver metal mounts, 7"w x 6.5"w

Identical to the project flask. I assume they mean the pouch is leather ... I think the round flask is wood...? Ah I'm wrong ... see the reverse view it's leather. I assume leather over wood?

See sold item at https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/clars-auction-gallery/catalogue-id-srcl10040/lot-fa7e995f-238b-4344-a82d-a52a011541ea

Is this the same item please?

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[Wodimi]

yes leather over wood and also yes it's the same bottle, but not bought in that auction. There was also no pouch, only the flask...strange.
I bought it in a UK auction, not in US.

[rickystl]

Too bad the pouch dissapeared. The iron reinforced leather pouch is also typical of Afghan construction. And appears in very nice condition like the flask.

Rick

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I GUESS FROM AFGANISTAN HERE IS MINE