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Mark
12th April 2006, 03:28 PM
http://www.arscives.com/historysteel/images/History-of-Steel-Banner-web.jpg

The post about the PI exhibition reminded me that I had not yet made an announcement of this on the forum.

"History of Steel in East Asia" is an exhibition being put on by the Macau Museum of Art, under the direction of Antonio Cejunior. The exhibition will open on May 12, and run until August.

It is composed of five sections, each representing a different region of East Asia: China, Korea, Japan, the Philippine Islands, and Continental Southeast Asia. Shown will be an historical array of weapons from each region. The design of the exhibition is intended not only to place the weapons within the historical and cultural perspective of their respective regions, but also to highlight the relationships and influences between the regions.

The catalogue will be in full color, with comprehensive articles written by experts in the respective areas, for the most part private collectors. It is a unique collaboration of individuals and institutions around the world, including a number of people from the EAA forum (among which I am proud to be counted). The original catalogue will be in three languages (Chinese, Portuguese and English), as is standard for the Museum. An English-only edition is planned, but will depend on finding a reliable distributor.

Antonio has put up an announcement page here (http://www.arscives.com/historysteel/exhibition_announcement.htm). As with the MMA's exhibition Masters of Fire (http://www.arscives.com/mastersofire/Default.htm), there will also be an on-line exhibition and website about the show. Here (http://www.bladesignforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=1531#1531) is a thread on Antonio's forum where he has posted a couple draft advertisements for the show.

ariel
12th April 2006, 04:35 PM
How can I get a catalogue?

Mark
12th April 2006, 05:24 PM
You should be able to order the tri-lingual one through the Museum once its out. I don't have details on that, but I can find out how it would work.

The English-only version, should a distributor be found, would be via a difference system that would depend on who was distributing.

Andrew
12th April 2006, 08:31 PM
I'm really looking forward to this. :)

Rivkin
12th April 2006, 08:43 PM
If there is no distributor to be found, would it be possible to sell an electronic version of the english version ?

Rick
12th April 2006, 09:06 PM
I know that I will want more than one copy of the original catalogue ; one for myself (another proud contributor) and one for investment value . :)












"Gonna buy five copies for my Mother..." :D

Cover of the Rolling Stone by Dr. Hook

micas
12th April 2006, 09:08 PM
I will definitely be going to this one.

Ian
15th April 2006, 08:13 PM
I'm hoping to be in the vicinity of Macau on business in the middle of the year and will drop by for a few hours. Antonio Cejunior has pulled together an incredible amount of material, with quite a lot of help from members of this Forum. You know who you are ... ;)

This type of exhibition is very unusual, especially in Asia, and I think it will give a boost to interest in Asian and SE Asian weaponry. That's certainly part of Antonio's goal.

Ian.

Andrew
26th April 2006, 02:34 AM
Antonio has unveiled the final Exhibition Poster:

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/bladesign/hos-poster.jpg


Additional information may be found here:
http://www.bladesignforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=1668#1668

Andrew
26th April 2006, 02:37 AM
I note Ian's beautiful dha made the poster. I love that sword. :cool:

Rick
26th April 2006, 03:11 AM
Well , that kris makes two from this forum's membership . :cool:

Ian
26th April 2006, 03:19 AM
Rick is correct. The members of this Forum have shared in helping get this exhibition together, and have contributed a substantial number of swords. I hope to be able to see this wonderful exhibition later this year.

Ian.

Andrew
26th April 2006, 04:43 AM
Well , that kris makes two from this forum's membership . :cool:


I thought that one looked familiar, as well. :) Gorgeous!

Antonio Cejunior
26th April 2006, 05:23 AM
Hi Everyone,

First of all let me post the final poster. Catalogue cover will be very similar.

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel/images1/hos-poster.jpg

If each of you guys who are interested just emails artmuseum@iacm.gov.mo and just place on the Subject of the Email: Want to purchase History of Steel Catalog or something similar (please let's not have an email stencil, use some imagination ;) ) you may convince decision makers to find a solution which is already being attempted to be solved right now.

Then it is time to thank Rick Bates, Federico Malibago, Jose Albovias, Mark Bowditch, Andrew Winston, Ian Greaves, Barry Parks, Jonathan Vergara, Ron Zambarrano, Bill Swanson, for their generosity in contributing.

For many other reasons that I would prefer to stay personal, Rick Bates was very important, but so was Mark, both listening patiently to my prayers and my venting, Jose Albovias and Ian for they know what.

But folks, the worst is still to come. An exhibition like this would normally take years to organize. I know this perfectly well, but with our time limitations connected with budgets that have to be fulfilled in the same year, this is the best I can offer.
So the setting up will be a whole lot craze going on. Sleepless nights...

Anyway, thank you very much folks.
Everyone is wonderful in their contributions and the trust you put in me.

Mark
26th April 2006, 03:37 PM
And thank you, Antonio, for creating this, and your dedication in bringing it to us. It is a pleasure and an honor to be involved.

ariel
26th April 2006, 08:24 PM
Antonio,
I can only imagine the amount of work you invested and the "butterflies in the stomach" you are going to have just before the opening!
Best of luck!
Can you be a focal point of selling these catalogues to Forumites?

Antonio Cejunior
27th April 2006, 01:22 AM
And thank you, Antonio, for creating this, and your dedication in bringing it to us. It is a pleasure and an honor to be involved.
Mark,

I also forgot to thank EEWS for which I offer my humble apologies.
Actually each of you have been so dedicated that my dedication is nothing.
This exhibition brought me to admire many people and EEWS by itself.

The honor is all mine and I will not share it. :p
Hey, we are speaking as if the exhibition is on. It is not and there are sleepless nights ahead of me, many!!! Yiiikes

Antonio Cejunior
27th April 2006, 01:28 AM
Rick is correct. The members of this Forum have shared in helping get this exhibition together, and have contributed a substantial number of swords. I hope to be able to see this wonderful exhibition later this year.

Ian.
Hi Ian,

True. And I cannot thank you all enough.
It has been an incredible proof of great transcultural understanding and convergence of wills. This is a true lesson from all the contributors, about how a Peaceful event can be made with instruments of war.

I must've missed many posts in this thread because my viewing mode was different from linear. I could not see. Now I found out I could get back to "normal" viewing.

Please bear in mind that the Exhibition ends on August 8.

Kindest regards,

Antonio

Antonio Cejunior
27th April 2006, 01:34 AM
Antonio,
I can only imagine the amount of work you invested and the "butterflies in the stomach" you are going to have just before the opening!
Best of luck!
Can you be a focal point of selling these catalogues to Forumites?
Ariel,

The amount of work was by many. I'm just the put-together-guy.
It's been 28 years, and I lost all those butterflies, he he. I just want to see this complete.

I apologize, I cannot be the focal point for sale of these catalogues. This could be interpreted as corruption. I don't want to have anything to do with sales, if you understand me. It has to go through proper chanels which I do not want to be connected. There's an email up this thread.
The more folks email, the better. Then just please bear a little. This is a work that started two and a half years ago.

Thanks :)

Mark
28th April 2006, 08:06 PM
Here is that e-mail address for ordering catalogues and posters, again:

artmuseum@iacm.gov.mo

Put in the subject line something like "Request for History of Steel catalogue," or "History of Steel catalogue [or poster] order."

Antonio Cejunior
29th April 2006, 09:47 AM
Well folks,

I didn't invent bureaucracy and red tape and I dislike it.
I'm a field man when the time comes.

Here are a couple of pics to wet your appetite :)

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/bladesign/1.jpg

Bare display room.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/bladesign/3.jpg

Goodies arrive by car

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/bladesign/7.jpg

Early tests.

Now you have to wait and see :) :D

Have a nice weekend ;)

Andrew
1st May 2006, 04:35 PM
Thank you, Antonio. It's a real treat to see how an exhibition like this comes together.

If time permits, please continue to post updates. :)

Best,
Andrew

Antonio Cejunior
3rd May 2006, 12:23 AM
Thank you, Antonio. It's a real treat to see how an exhibition like this comes together.

If time permits, please continue to post updates. :)

Best,
Andrew
Most kind of you Andrew,

Time is very scarce. It will be stress up to the last minute. This is a whale of an exhibition :) And I guess if the exhibition was not inside my mind... it would be really scary. It is still scary to mount almost 300 items.

Meantime a picture about an overall presentation of the exhibition for the volunteer guides.

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel/images1/4.talk-to-guides.jpg

Here is a picture of the mountain people from Mark's site.
They will be guiding schools and so forth.

Very best,
Antonio

Andrew
6th May 2006, 02:26 AM
Outstanding, Antonio. I'm getting quite excited about the exhibition.

I know the catalogue release will be delayed because of its great size and scope but, in a way, this makes not being there that much easier because once the exhibition closes, we'll still have something to look forward to! :)

Antonio Cejunior
6th May 2006, 02:45 AM
Thanks Andrew, :)

Indeed the design department is treating each of the 278 photos (if I well remember) by removind unwanted things in the background, and so forth.

Nonetheless, here is a picture of the center display case which has two sides facing two opposite walls.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/bladesign/center-display-building.jpg

Prepared to be painted black.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/bladesign/testing-partitions.jpg

Here I'm directing the placement of partitions to visually separate different periods in the Korean display section.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/bladesign/center-display-case.jpg

Then with the partitions hung and the frame painted black and still a lot of mess. When the ceiling lights are turned off, everything will look dark.
Only display cases lights will show its contents.

Off to work in an hour... Now its a non-stop until it's done.

As soon as the design department has pictures I will upload them and hope to see the website finished.

Thank you for your kind words. :)

Rick
12th May 2006, 09:50 PM
The Dateline always confuses me .
Is the premier tonight , tomorrow , or was it yesterday ? :confused:

Antonio Cejunior
13th May 2006, 12:48 PM
No problem Rick,

It is earlier here, meaning that May 12 came earlier to Macau then to the US. Average time difference is twelve hours.

I wish to thank everyone of you involved, and while the site is not finished, I've uploaded the opening pictures here (http://s66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/bladesign/Exhibition%20Opening/?sc=1&multi=1&addtype=local&media=image)

Hope you all enjoy enjoy early pictures.
Now I need to sleep :p

Bless you all :)

Mark
14th May 2006, 07:01 PM
Bravo, Antonio! It is so exciting to see it all there, and the public examining the exhibits so intently. :) :D :)

Ian
14th May 2006, 09:23 PM
We all thank you, Antonio, for the immense amount of work you put into this exhibition -- from conception to opening.

Well done.

Ian.

Antonio Cejunior
15th May 2006, 12:04 AM
Hello Mark and Ian,

Your worst are most kind but undeserving. I had the idea, but you guys, and I would like to publicly thank you all:

Mark, Andrew, Ian, Federico Malibago, Jose Albovias Jr., Rick, Barry Parks, Jonathan Vergara, Ron Zambarrano and William Swanson for your generous contributions without which this exhibition would have not been possible.

It may seem like a cliché, but it isn't. I believe in one thing, and that is fairness and gratefulness. You have all given a lesson to the world about generosity.

When I was setting up the exhibition, I once more saw all those beauties and thought to myself: they did trust me. That brought an immense respect on all of you. So I thank you all for the trust.

When the catalogue is ready you will know, as with about over 280 photographs it is going to be a dictionary of 400 pages. And that huge book will show the acknowledgements on one of the first pages.
Gratefulness is mainly remembering what good things have been done unto us.
Therefore, like the Chinese clap hands back, because their culture tells them not to accept applauses, I wish to applaud you all for your civic attitude, for your spirit of detachment, and for the fact that each of you gentlemen, gave a great contribution for this exhibition to take place.

So, Bravo everyone! :)

Oh, I will also put up a special forum directly linked to the website's menu when it is ready so we all can discuss, comment, etc. :)

Bless you all.

Andrew
15th May 2006, 03:49 AM
I am so proud to be a part of this important exhibition, Antonio. Thank you for your vision and perserverence. :)

Antonio Cejunior
15th May 2006, 11:16 AM
Hello Andrew,

The pleasure and honor is all mine Andrew. :)
Thank you for the trust and about perseverence... well, my wife would tell you that whenever I get into something, I'll be nagging and nagging until I achieve
it :D .

Seriously, all I did was to convince the knowledgeble ones to participate and that was not difficult. You and everyone else has bestowed in me your trust for which I am really honored.

Very best,

Antonio

ariel
1st June 2006, 10:56 PM
Any idea when the catalogue will become available for purchase?
I REALLY!!! want it!

Antonio Cejunior
2nd June 2006, 12:26 AM
Any idea when the catalogue will become available for purchase?
I REALLY!!! want it!
I cannot tell you right now.
There are almost 300 pictures whose background must be treated one by one in order to present a great photograph.
All the texts are translated and ready. Then it is importing the text and photos and organizing it all.
I hope that the more interest is shown directly to the museum, the more it will help to understand that this exhibition's catalogue is strongly sought after internationally.
It all has to do with the number of people deployed to retouch the photographs which is not an easy task...

ariel
2nd June 2006, 11:31 PM
Antonio,
I can only imagine the amount of work!
People told you many times already how much they admired your perseverance and enthusiasm; always, you managed to sound gracious and self-deprecating and to deflect the compliments to others. No doubt, their contribution was of immense value and should be appreciated.
But nobody deserves higher praise than you.
So, for once, keep quiet, do not respond, pour youself a glass of something good and drink it.
This is my toast to you!

Antonio Cejunior
3rd June 2006, 02:16 AM
Ariel,

Yes, they work very very hard.
Interesting enough it may be called or perceived perseverance and enthusiasm, yet I see it as doing what I believe is right. I know well that I don't possess the truth, so I just do what I believe after a long time of maturation.
It is morning here, so before I continue, a toast back with my second cup of coffee :)
It is strange that I avoid praise. It is not because I am better than others. It is the fact that - while I thank you for your kind words - I think that I am just in transit, like we all are, in this life. For this reason, it is not of any use for me to be full of myself.
If it were not for all the generous people from this Forum who so generously shared their possessions, sending them halfway around the world, trusting (and this is a sublime act) my word, the exhibition would have not happened.

Now, when the catalogue is carefully proof-read in its final stages, when all photographs are imported into the design programme, a unique publication will be born that will last for as long as people want it, proving that weapons can be a source of Peace, of Generosity, of Globalized Cooperation, and of shared knowledge. I never procclaim anything. I have always put my work where my mouth is, also because I don't believe in Educating and Enlightening anyone, because only a pityful ignorant can think of such a task can be done by others.
It reminds me of anyone liberating someone else. One Educates oneself and that is already an enormous task. How can anyone liberate me from my own faults? Buddha attained Enlightment through his own means.

Since I dare to consider myself just half ignorant, I dare not take praise, because that would make me run the risk of falling into the sin of thinking I am somebody, when my aim is to one day reach the end of the journey in simplicity.
That's why you shouldn't praise me. You'll end up with a rant and a half for free :D
Bless you :)

wilked aka Khun Deng
29th July 2006, 04:11 AM
Just back from vacation and I had to let you all know what a phenominal job Antonio did with the exihibit. One afternoon was definately not enough. The way he grouped and displayed the swords was all you could ask for. From the lighting to the sequencing and even the informatiojn supplied the focus remained on the skill, craftsmanship and historical value of these wonderful pieces.

And this post would not be complete without mention of what an incredible host Antonio was. Even though he arrived home from an unschedlued business trip two hours after I arrived in town and with his wife not feeling well, he still made it a point to meet us and give us a personally guided tour of the exihibit (of course he made me wait till the end to view the Dha exihibit- crafty way of building the suspense Antonio). Not only delightful company, but very educational as well. My first time in Macau and it was clear throughout the visit the love Antonio has for his home country, Macau, and his work of preserving and educating those everywhere of their history and especially his love of swords. My wife and I thank you for a wonderful day.

To those of you who donated pieces to this exihibit I thank you. They are in good hands and expertly displayed to catch all the nuances of each piece.

The trip has put me in a quandry though - I only collect from places I have been. Now that I have been to China even for a weekend does that qualify as long enough to collect pieces from there? ----well maybe just one Jian or Dao.... ;)

Antonio Cejunior
29th July 2006, 06:22 AM
Hi Dan and everyone else,

Dan is terribly exagerating in his kind eyes.
I did what anyone would have done considering the effort Dan made.

Here you can see Dan looking at the Dha's display and saying, aha, I know that one :D

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel/images1/3.aha-I-know-this-one.jpg

and here is Dan and his lovely wife Jenny

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel/images1/4.dan-and-jenny.jpg

I was just sorry that I had to leave them too soon and our car was not working :(
Thank you for coming Dan and Jenny. It was great to have met you and by the way, can anyone point me out the Serge's website at Aranyick?
I misjudged his website and his emails and I would like to apologize.

Again, it was a pleasure and here is the two of us on the wind of the Museum.

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel/images1/5.dan-n-me.jpg

Very best Dan and Jenny :)

Andrew
31st July 2006, 03:56 AM
----well maybe just one Jian or Dao.... ;)

No question. Do it. Send me all your dha, though. I'll give them a good home. ;)

Looks like you had a great time, Dan. :)

wilked aka Khun Deng
5th August 2006, 12:58 PM
Not likely to happen Andrew - but you can keep on dreaming :p

Actually Antonio got quite a few Korean swords donated from their National museum, another place I've spent an inordinate amount of time in (actually just returned from there), and have yet to get an example of. Truth be told these were the first authenticated Korean swords I'd ever seen. More of downed -sized version of a Japanese sword. I would have thought that there would have been more of a Chinese influence.

Told you it was educational!

Antonio, you can reach Serge through his website www.cozun.com


Dan

Antonio Cejunior
14th August 2006, 03:39 PM
Antonio, you can reach Serge through his website www.cozun.com (http://www.cozun.com)
Dan
Hi Dan,

Thanks very much :)
Very best

Rick
17th August 2006, 04:50 PM
My three containers arrived safely today; all the pieces were fine even though the snoops at customs opened one of them . :rolleyes:

Good packing by the museum; kudos !

Antonio Cejunior
17th August 2006, 05:03 PM
Great to hear that Rick,

Thank you. It is the staff that deserves the kuddos. They are fantastic.
I would appreciate if everyone would post or email me confirming their shipment being received.
Thanks :)

Spunjer
21st August 2006, 09:06 PM
recieved the swords. my tenegre and visayan sundang became dhas. i didn't open the bubble wraps on those, but one has a jade like stone on the pommel. the barung scabbard was crushed. kris and kampilan are ok.

ron

Ian
21st August 2006, 09:35 PM
I have some of Mark's dha and someone else's swords too. Still trying to work out what I have that's not mine.

BTW the jade hilted dha will be mine, Ron.

Ian.

Andrew
21st August 2006, 09:35 PM
Got my boxes. I'll open them up tonight.

ibeam
22nd August 2006, 03:08 AM
I received my swords back last week and all acounted for.

Many thanks for their safe return.

Antonio Cejunior
23rd August 2006, 12:21 PM
Hi all gentlemen,

I am ina field trip for another entirely different exhibition. Please check at my www.bladesignforum.com

At first when I received this link as I logged in, I thought you were all pulling each other's leg. But unfortunately it is not the case.

Prior to my departure I sent a group email to everyone about my field trip and I must say I am entirely puzzled with what I read here because all boxes received the sword numbers and everything was organized with photographs and so forth.

Miss Victoria has been handling exhibitions for seven years, since the Museum was inaugurated and I can testify of her full qualifications, competence and care. How it happened I cannot explain for she is also right now in a field trip.

I would like to say that due to my son 9 days hospitalization following his operation, I was unable to be at the packaging but it would have not changed anything because Victoria's method at arrival was extremely careful in identigying each tube and each sword to each tube.

I would also like to add that no one has slammed any sword in the scabbard or anything close to this. Care was absolute, but we cannot be responsible for tubes being thrown to the floor by the cargo people, if that happened, because we had requested special care instructions to fantastic Macau FedEx people.

Nonetheless is my duty to apologize for these events to everyone, and since I am away until the very end of the month and have suffered a punctured right foot, almost impalled, my movements are extremely limited as well as my access to the internet.

Again my humble apologies and hope everyone comes out saying what the've got so I can track the mistakes, but presently I cannot do nothing.
As in the beginning, my appreciation and admiration for all of you folks' generosity is the same. I am not the kind who uses people and then forget about them.

I wish to formally express my apologies for any mistakes, but I have no explanation.

Kindest regards to everyone,

Mark
28th August 2006, 03:15 PM
Having seen the Museum operations first hand, and met the staff, the mix-up is a bit of a mystery. Mine all arrived safely, by the way, though one package went to someone who is taking good care of them until they can get home. ;)

In my case, what clearly happened was that the shipping invoices got switched between two packages. The package of Ian's swords I got was correctly labelled on the outside with the codes for the swords inside, and the shipping invoice in the plastic envelope stuck to it correctly listed the swords of mine that were mistakingly sent to Ian (in other words, the swords in the box that should have had the invoice). My suspicion, frankly, is that someone at Federal Express mixed up the invoices after accepting the packages from the Museum staff. They have to be taken in and out of the envelopes several times during transit, which is stupid because just this kind of thing can happen (I don't see why they can't put a bar-code sticker on the box itself).

I can't imagine that the Museum staff could have made such a mistake, and more than once, apparently. They even put my swords back in the exact same boxes in which I had shipped them (though most were identical in size and shape). Fed Ex, on the other hand .... :rolleyes: In the course of my work I often ship many boxes of documents at once to different parts of the country or the world, and more than once things went wrong. Once one box in a set of five or six ended up in a different country somehow, and another time a box of documents was delivered to the office split open, with footprints on the paper! The courier said he'd gotten it that way (yeah, right).

As many boxes as there were, who do you think is going to mix up and/or damage a box, the guys handling 20 or 30 who knew the contents were precious and fragile, or the guys handling 2,000,000 or 3,000,000 who didn't know and didn't care what the contents were? I just hate the see the Museum staff, who are so conscientious and careful, get the bad rap for how the shipment was handled after they sent it. :(

wolviex
28th August 2006, 06:45 PM
And I remember how someone of you here in Forum repremended me about writing on the weapon. It's not beautiful (however you can always wash it out in need) but thank's to inventory numbers on the piece you never get wrong with anything.

PS. Of course I don't want to sound sapiently - no way - it's just practical thought ;) .

Spunjer
29th August 2006, 12:36 AM
since i'm not getting any response on my email, i would like to know who recieved my visayan sundang and tenegre. as for the damaged scabbard, will fedex pay for it then?

Andrew
29th August 2006, 12:39 AM
since i'm not getting any response on my email, i would like to know who recieved my visayan sundang and tenegre. as for the damaged scabbard, will fedex pay for it then?

Ron, it may be me. I've been preparing for trial and, now, for another hurricane. I'll open my boxes up tonight and let you know if I've got your stuff. :o

Ian
29th August 2006, 04:33 AM
Ron:

Could be me too. I still have not opened mine -- too much work stuff and family business.

Ian.

Antonio Cejunior
29th August 2006, 04:05 PM
since i'm not getting any response on my email, i would like to know who recieved my visayan sundang and tenegre. as for the damaged scabbard, will fedex pay for it then?
Hi Ron,
Just arrived back in Macau 2 hours ago and allow me clarify one thing :)
I received your email just about the time I was leaving, so had no time to reply.
So later I made a general post above, apologizing.

Second, one of the most important practices is to immediately show a picture or a set of pictures of the damage caused.

I made sure I left after a period long enough for everyone to receive the pieces.

Pardon me, but we have at least two lawyers here and you all know that you cannot place a claim in a forum or by email by just stating it. You have to prove it, show the damage, the before and the after.
Then insurance prescribes. It does not last forever.

I am very sorry for what happened to you, and am thankful that Mark spoke from his first hand experience. Like what Mark describes, I am absolutely sure that the staff had everything under full control and the boxes and the references and all that.
No Museum staff wants to get problems, and here we do want to take pride in what we do :)

My suggestion is that Mark and Andrew as lawyers, will possibly confirm that without photographic evidence, formal information, there will be no FedEx or Insurance that will accept any claim, specially when the insurance prescribed.

You see, we do our very best, but the moment you receive the boxes and don't verify the contents, then technically it is impossible to place a claim, and the longer the time, the more impossible.

Far from trying to wash my/our hands I am trying to explain in here so everyone understands. I am most grateful and just because the exhibition has ended does not mean I wash my hands. Not the kind of thing I do.

What I want to say is please post detailed pictures of the damage and the only thing I can offer you, is an attempt of reconstruction from our restoration department after talking to the Museum Director.

Best,

Mark
29th August 2006, 04:54 PM
Posting photos and such here isn't really going to do the job.

I think the best way to handle damage is, as Antonio has suggested, taking detailed photos of the damage. You have the "before" photos available, of course, in the form of the Museum catalogue photos.

Then, you should write a letter to the Museum explaining and describing the damage, and including the photographs, so that the Museum (which bought the insurance) can file a claim. They will also need an estimation of the damage value. Since the item was not completely destroyed or lost, this would be the loss of market value due to the damage. Often insurance companies require additional evidence or explanation, but those basics should get the ball rolling.

While this forum is a convenient place in which to communicate quickly, it really isn't the place to resolve this issue, so I urge everyone to shift to direct communication for these "business" matters.

Spunjer
30th August 2006, 02:42 AM
"Second, one of the most important practices is to immediately show a picture or a set of pictures of the damage caused.

I made sure I left after a period long enough for everyone to receive the pieces.

Pardon me, but we have at least two lawyers here and you all know that you cannot place a claim in a forum or by email by just stating it. You have to prove it, show the damage, the before and the after.
Then insurance prescribes. It does not last forever.

that is why i emailed you directly, antonio. i even mention to you that pictures will be provided, but i did not get any response from you. i'm not a lawyer and i do not know what do do and steps to take. and you also said:


You see, we do our very best, but the moment you receive the boxes and don't verify the contents, then technically it is impossible to place a claim, and the longer the time, the more impossible.


you see, i did not know that because i did not get any response from you. maybe if you could've given me an address right away, or who to talk to, or who to email to, i would have done that ASAP (as soon as possible), with the pictures provided.

so:

1) i have the pictures
2) who can i email to
3) what do i need to do, or is it too late

i understand that you have an impeccable crew, but somewhere down the line, the scabbard was saran wrapped tightly causing the sampil, or throat of the scabbard to crush, and the side of the scabbard to splinter. the bottom line is, the scabbard is SNAFU. i just wanna know what do i need to do, or do i just take this as a loss.
ron

Antonio Cejunior
30th August 2006, 04:45 AM
Hi Ron,

As suggested by Mark I am replying to you in private.
Thank you :)

Andrew
1st September 2006, 03:37 PM
I finally had a chance to open up my boxes. Everything present and accounted for, and in perfect condition. :)


Ron, I didn't get any of your stuff.

Spunjer
4th September 2006, 02:20 AM
thanks for looking, andrew..

ibeam
3rd October 2006, 08:59 PM
Hello,

I am just checking in to see when the catalogs will be ready. Is there any updates? :confused:

Antonio Cejunior
3rd October 2006, 11:06 PM
Thank you for checking. Rest assured I'll be the first one to let everyone know.
This delay never happened before in my life. But it is beyond my wish.
Thank you.

Antonio