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BANDOOK
3rd October 2016, 07:56 AM
HAS THIS MUSKETOON HAVE A INDIAN CONNECTION LOOKING AT THE GOLD WORKMANSHIP???
A GEORGE 111[18THC] EAST INDIA CO.MUSKETOON
THE BARREL,LOCK,RAMROD,TRIGGER GUARD AND FITTINGS ALL WITH ELABORATE HEAVY GOLD KUBACHI DECORATION.
THE LOCK WITH REMAINS OF MAKERS DETAILS JUST LEGIBLE,THE HAMMER UNDECOARTED,ROSEWOOD STOCK
LENGTH -915
REGARDS RAJESH

corrado26
3rd October 2016, 08:23 AM
A very remarkable piece with a never seen decoration. I wonder what purpose this carbine with a rosewood stock must have been made for. Thanks for showing.
corrado26

BANDOOK
3rd October 2016, 08:34 AM
THANKS CORRADO SOME MORE PICTURES HERE AS THE I HAVE CROPPED THE PICTURES SO I COULD FIT IN TO THE FILES,CHEERS

BANDOOK
3rd October 2016, 12:14 PM
KUBUR AND RICK WOULD LIKE YPOUR COMMENTS,CHEERS

corrado26
3rd October 2016, 02:18 PM
Sorry for answering once more and not beeing Kubur or Rick:

I think that this mousketoon has no connections to English weapons at all and has been made in India. Neither the stock nor the barrel and the mountings have a conformity to British firearms during the flintlock aera.
corrado26

Kubur
3rd October 2016, 03:27 PM
Hi,
It's too far from Kubur's expertise.
Kubur stays on the Mediterranean shores...
:)

Jim McDougall
3rd October 2016, 03:47 PM
I think those markings may be associated with EIC systems of issue or mfg. If anyone has access to David Hardings "Small Arms of the East India Co." I think there is data there. The India link seems well placed.

BANDOOK
4th October 2016, 01:20 AM
Hi,
It's too far from Kubur's expertise.
Kubur stays on the Mediterranean shores...
:)
HI KUBUR WELL SOME TIMES U DRIFT ACROSS TO THE INDIAN OCEAN SO I TRIED MY LUCK,CHEERS

BANDOOK
4th October 2016, 01:21 AM
I think those markings may be associated with EIC systems of issue or mfg. If anyone has access to David Hardings "Small Arms of the East India Co." I think there is data there. The India link seems well placed.
THANKS JIM ,YES SOME MEMBER COULD TELL US ABOUT THAT,CHEERS

BANDOOK
4th October 2016, 01:22 AM
Sorry for answering once more and not beeing Kubur or Rick:

I think that this mousketoon has no connections to English weapons at all and has been made in India. Neither the stock nor the barrel and the mountings have a conformity to British firearms during the flintlock aera.
corrado26
HI CORRADO YOU ARE MOST WELCOME WHATEVER YOU THINK AND FREE TO COMMENT,THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW,CHEERS

rickystl
4th October 2016, 03:41 PM
Hi Bandook.

I think Corrado and Jim are close to the mark here. The gold wash decoration and barrel profile look very Indian to me. This gun looks like a styling exercise by the maker/owner. Curious all the iron parts are decorated - except the butt plate. There is some slight English styling, but for the most part a custom design. Very interesting gun and worthy of further research. Speaking of which, I wish I could find a copy of Hardings book. Anyone have one for sale ? LOL

Rick

BANDOOK
6th October 2016, 10:26 AM
THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS RICK,AM SURE MORE MEMBERS WILL COMMENT AND MORE RESEARCH COULD BE DONE FOR THIS GUN,KIND REGARDS RAJESH

Oliver Pinchot
7th October 2016, 01:44 AM
It is certainly Indian work, and very fine at that.
The most obvious traits are the rosewood stock and the quality of the gold
embellishment and motifs. Likely latter 18th century. Probably made for an East India Company officer.

Ian
7th October 2016, 05:13 AM
Hi Bandook.

...I wish I could find a copy of Hardings book. Anyone have one for sale ? ...

RickRick,

You can find copies by searching on www.abebooks.com (http://www.abebooks.com) but these are fairly expensive. There were four volumes.

Ian.

BANDOOK
7th October 2016, 11:27 AM
It is certainly Indian work, and very fine at that.
The most obvious traits are the rosewood stock and the quality of the gold
embellishment and motifs. Likely latter 18th century. Probably made for an East India Company officer.
THANKS OLIVER GOOD TO CONFIRM ITS INDIAN FOR SURE,CHEERS