An Arab Hijaz Dagger in Ottoman Scabbard?

[CharlesS]

Here is a long Arabian jambiya style dagger that looks to be of the type from western Arabia, Hijaz. The blade style and hilt quite fit the style from that area, but the blade is surprisingly of wootz, though of lower quality.

The scabbard looks Ottoman in style and motifs, and has a brass wire woven seam, typical to Ottoman scabbards. The mounts are silver alloy.

Being that the Arabian peninsula was at least nominally part of the Ottoman Empire, these style combinations are not particularly surprising, but I find the style combination with the rather are Arabian wootz blade most interesting. Note also the belt loop that seems to dictate that the brass woven seam side of the scabbard is worn to the outside.

Would appreciate any input about this piece, and whether or not opinions agree or differ from mine regarding the dagger's origin.

Dimensions:
Overall: 26in.
Blade 19in.

[mariusgmioc]

Hello,

I have some supicions about the "wootz." Have seen very simiar patterns and colouring on a faked wootz Indian Khanjar. :shrug:

Better photos would be welcomed, but still doesn't look like genuine wootz.

[kahnjar1]

Hi Charles,
Very nice piece by the look of it. Not sure about origin though.......
Re the "belt loop"....this is IMHO unusual for a Hijazi Dharia style dagger as they are usually mounted horizontally or at least semi horizontally on the belt, by at least 3 or more loops on the back of the scabbard. The style here would suggest more of a vertical hanging attachment. As a matter of interest they are usually mounted with the hilt to the left side of the body (see pics) so the loop on yours is probably on the correct side, though I do wonder about the stitching being visible. This would normally be at the back, as on other leather dressed Dharias I have seen.
Stu

[Kubur]

Hi Charles,
Just a beauty.
One photo sometimes says more than words.
It's an Ottoman jambiya in Istanbul, probably from Hidjaz.
Best,
Kubur

[CharlesS]

Kubur: Thanks so much! What a helpful photograph!

Marius: There is nothing about this wootz that is faked. It's just a different sort of wootz than we more commonly see and not nearly as attractive as other sorts IMHO, but wootz, nonetheless.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

I agree there is no faking on this weapon ...

Actually I thought it more like a weapon I saw at http://atkinson-swords.com/collection-by-region/middle-east/arabian-penninsula/saudi-presentation-saif.html#previous-photo which shows a Sabiki Dharia. It occurred to me that Ottoman style had a flat top pommel.

[A.alnakkas]

I really like this one and think it found a good home. This style is called magfal in the modern days and generally comes in full silver dress. This is an older version of it and what I find interesting in it is the very obvious Ottoman influence. Taif is one of the places where this style is worn often (depending on tribe) and Taif was for a good while, under Ottoman influence :-) so nice, you have a pretty good old one.

[Kubur]

A last one for the road, with a good blade too...
:)

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

A last one for the road, with a good blade too...
:)


Superb pictures Kubur; Thank you very much.. :shrug:

[ariel]

I agree there is no faking on this weapon ...

Actually I thought it more like a weapon I saw at http://atkinson-swords.com/collection-by-region/middle-east/arabian-penninsula/saudi-presentation-saif.html#previous-photo which shows a Sabiki Dharia. It occurred to me that Ottoman style had a flat top pommel.

Regretfully, 4 out of 5 kindjals in that collection are very, very modern replicas. Not sure about the fifth: need better glasses.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Regretfully, 4 out of 5 kindjals in that collection are very, very modern replicas. Not sure about the fifth: need better glasses.

Actually I think you have a point although I thought the Yemeni Tuza and the Sabiki Dharia looked ok...but it was a long day ... Maybe I need glasses too :)

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

:shrug:

[A.alnakkas]

:shrug:

I'd recommend Steve Gracie's book called Jambiya. Its quite educational about items from Hijaz and Yemen.

[kahnjar1]

I'd recommend Steve Gracie's book called Jambiya. Its quite educational about items from Hijaz and Yemen.
I "second" that!! Great book.

[A.alnakkas]

Here is another lovely example:

http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=4655

[Kubur]

Nice example!

Look at this link too

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19485&highlight=ottoman+dharia
:)

[Kubur]

The same here sold

http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/photos.php?id=3859

[DaveA]

I agree there is no faking on this weapon ...

Actually I thought it more like a weapon I saw at http://atkinson-swords.com/collection-by-region/middle-east/arabian-penninsula/saudi-presentation-saif.html#previous-photo which shows a Sabiki Dharia. It occurred to me that Ottoman style had a flat top pommel.

The URL above is incorrect. You can find the Sabiki Dharias listed in this page: http://atkinson-swords.com/collection-by-region/middle-east/arabian-penninsula/

[DaveS]

Charles: It looks like Syrian Wootz (Sham) to me............Dave.

[Battara]

A weird thought (I know shocking... :rolleyes: ) but I was looking a those silver "fowers", and was wondering if there might have been a little Indian influence in this. The area of origin does trade with India...............