Ottoman shishana / shishane or boyliya?

[estcrh]

Not quite sure exactly what this is, anyone have an opinion?

Ottoman miqueletlock shishana / shishane (long gun with a hexagonal wooden butt and a heavy barrel, a stock form used by the janissary and the seymeni) or possibly a Balkan boyliya, 18th c, 58" long, 44 1/2" tapered octagonal 70 cal. damascus twist iron barrel with silver bands, integral open rear sight, double blade front sight, breech inlaid with a silver band and silver bordered gilt brass inlaid makers mark, wood stock of typical construction studded with silver tacks.

[TVV]

Given the length, I would call this a Boyliya (the name is derived from the word "boy", meaning a man's height). The shishanes tend to be shorter. Another main distiction is that boyliya is usually reserved to indicate a smooth bore, while shishanes were rifled.

The lock on the other hand is not of the Boyliya type.

Teodor

[Kubur]

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The lock is very Caucasian / Turkish to me.
Bulgaria, Turkey, Caucasus, I would call your gun, a Black sea rifle...

Best,
Kubur

[estcrh]

Given the length, I would call this a Boyliya (the name is derived from the word "boy", meaning a man's height). The shishanes tend to be shorter. Another main distiction is that boyliya is usually reserved to indicate a smooth bore, while shishanes were rifled.

The lock on the other hand is not of the Boyliya type.

Teodor
Thanks Teodor, it is a smooth bore, the barrel walls look quite thin.

[estcrh]

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21532
The lock is very Caucasian / Turkish to me.
Bulgaria, Turkey, Caucasus, I would call your gun, a Black sea rifle...

Best,
KuburThanks Kuber, I have never heard of a "Black Sea rifle", since it is a smooth bore I think it would technically not qualify as a rifle.

I am not good with the differences between locks, here is a detailed image if this is of any help.

[Kubur]

You are certainly right for the barrel.
I think that could be an Ottoman lock, the old ones are very similar to the Caucasian locks.

[estcrh]

You are certainly right for the barrel.
I think that could be an Ottoman lock, the old ones are very similar to the Caucasian locks.
Thanks Kuber, it has a very Ottoman shape, by all appearances this is quite an old musket.