Uzbek Central Asian Powder flaSKS

[Kubur]

Hi,

Is someone knows anything about them?
or has some photographs...
THANKS

Best,
Kubur

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Hi,

Is someone knows anything about them?
or has some photographs...
THANKS

Best,
Kubur

Heres one...Made of wood and covered in textile of traditional up the silk road Gul /Scorpion design covering it.

[rickystl]

BEAUTIFUL FLASK !!!!
Rick.

[Kubur]

Thank you Ibrahim!
I was thinking that Uzbek powder flasks were differents...
No more examples or ideas?
:confused:

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

I think we need to look at a few different variants...neighboring the Uzbek area...mainly India...though there is every likelihood of Chinese ...since the silk road is common to both...

[Kubur]

Thank you Ibrahim, i'm looking for a particular model published by Tirri.
I think that he did a mistake, but I'm not sure...
:confused:

[Kubur]

Hi,
I come back to my question.
Up to now only ibrahim tried to respond.
Sold recently as an Arabian powder flask, but obviously it's Turkmen.

Guys do you think that is a powder flask or Afghan TurkmenTobacco-Snuff Box also known as a Nas Kedi (Naskady)?

I'm pretty sure of the orgin but not of the function. But the Tobacco-Snuff Box seems well documented compared to the powder flask...
Someome has the answer???
Kubur

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

This type is made from gourds...See examples at https://www.google.com/search?q=gourd+powder+flask&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2jouB-pnPAhVL7BQKHVsEDgEQ7AkILA&biw=1047&bih=510

[Battara]

What gorgeous flasks!!!!

Now I may want one (or two, three, etc).

Great.......now more things to spend my money on......... :rolleyes:

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

I have to say that after hours looking for exhibits I have turned up almost nought which is perhaps to be expected the way history has dealt its hand to Uzbekistan down the ages not least in the Soviet era. I am not sure if there is an Uzbek style of powder flask but that styles from surrounding areas including Persia and India formed the backbone of adopted flasks. I only found one other picture of vague interest of an Uzbek warrior probably pre gunpowder...and place that as an example of the paucity of such work... personally I suspect that anything that looked like a powder flask on the silk road with the appearance of gunpowder weapons would have been used by the Uzbek shooters.

[Oliver Pinchot]

Those gourds are for powdered tobacco.
Flasks used in the Central Asian Khanates tended to be either Persian work or locally made in Persian style; steel, wood, horn, hide are the commonest materials. There is a distinctive group which are of generally Persian form, but of brass with silver appliques. They are not common.

[Kubur]

Those gourds are for powdered tobacco.
Flasks used in the Central Asian Khanates tended to be either Persian work or locally made in Persian style; steel, wood, horn, hide are the commonest materials. There is a distinctive group which are of generally Persian form, but of brass with silver appliques. They are not common.

Thank you very much Oliver, you answered both questions. The shape is very Caucasian too and the metal and decorations are very Persian. Very interesting thank you!

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Is this a reasonable example?

[Kubur]

Dear Oliver,
Can I ask you for this one?
Thanks
Kubur

[Oliver Pinchot]

Salaam ya Ibrahiim,

We are looking at Persian forms which were adopted by many cultures, including the Ottomans, Central Asian and Caucasian groups.
In order to attribute it, it would be necessary to see closeups of the engraving on the silver mounts. That said, it's probably Caucasian, nice example.

[Oliver Pinchot]

This second flask is certainly Central Asian, probably Afghan work.
The technique of piercing the mounts and filling them with pitch or sealing wax and then polishing them flat is a very old one which originates in Persian shops. However, we recognize this work primarily in Afghanistan in the 19th century; it is a technique which fell out of fashion in Persia at some point, but remained very popular in Central Asia.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Salaam ya Ibrahiim,

We are looking at Persian forms which were adopted by many cultures, including the Ottomans, Central Asian and Caucasian groups.
In order to attribute it, it would be necessary to see closeups of the engraving on the silver mounts. That said, it's probably Caucasian, nice example.

Salaams Oliver; Thanks very much...

[Kubur]

Salaams Oliver; Thanks very much...

Yes thank you very much Oliver, very useful