A powder flask ... incomplete

[fernando]

Some friend has just presented me with this incomplete powder flask.
I take it that is rather old, judging for the thickness of its copper material, motif, patina and all.
With over 180 grams weight (for a 15 m/m lehgth), the relief of the decoration has no effect in the internal side ... if i make myself understood; i wouldn't know the name of this technique.
With the same hunting scene in both sides, it is obvious non military.
I realize i could never find a complete spout set to suit this piece ... patina and all.
Any of you guys may estimate the age of this powder flask ... or am i wrong about its antiquity ?

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[kahnjar1]

Well Fernando, based on the garb of the hunter only, I would say early 19th c for date. I would suspect that it could be found in Riling's Powder Flask book. Sadly I do not have a copy of this.
Re the spout. I feel sure that you could find one easily as there are often top and spout assemblies in auctions.....certainly here in NZ. The only challenge MIGHT be to find one of the right size to fit.
Stu

[fernando]

Thank you for your impressions, Stu :cool:

[Shakethetrees]

Fernando, it should be relatively easy to fix this flask.

I think it's English, a product of either Dixon, Sykes, or possibly Hawksley, and most of them were fairly standardized as far as size.

I've seen loose tops on various internet auction sites, but don't be in a hurry. They do turn up from time to time.

Just get a fairly accurate measurement of the ID of the opening. Once you have a match it shouldn't be too difficult to fix.

[fernando]

Thanks for the hint.
In measuring its mouth exterior i have an approximate 35 m/m which, in anglo terms, gives a 1 3/8 ". I don't think this measure would be an obstacle.
But i am not desperate for a flask top, so to say. If i were to acquire one, it would have to be an old thing; a shining one wouldn't fit. I don't want this flask to be operational (i am not a shooter) but aestethically complete.
I am more focused in finding its provenance ... and age; among a zillion flasks i see out there, i see none with such a thick metal; all are made of thin copper with all the embossing revealing from the inside ... i bet. If anyone here has a 'standard' copper powder flask may compare the weight.

[Shakethetrees]

Most mid 19th century embossed flasks were in fact made of brass that was copper plated. It held up better to hard use.

I have a copy of Riling's flask book somewhere. If I can locate it I'll check for it.

As far as patina. You have a pretty good chance locating a damaged or crushed one that you can salvage the top from.

That's where I would start. Also, I would recommend if you get an opportunity to pick and choose, go for one that's complete. Why not put it right in working order?

[fernando]

All points noted. Much obliged.