Strange mark on tang

[AHorsa]

Dear All,

I found those markings on a late 17th century blate tang. Can anyone identify it?

Best regards
Andreas

[Philip]

The markings look like a very stylized version of Arabic. Could you post a pic of the entire blade so we have some sort of context?

[fernando]

... Could you post a pic of the entire blade so we have some sort of context?
... As it should be ;) .

[AHorsa]

Sorry, only had this image on my mobile. Will post pictures of the entire blade when I am back home next week.

[AHorsa]

Here are the images. It belongs to a late swiss sabre. Sadly it was opened.

[AHorsa]

Just found another mark on the tang:

[Jim McDougall]

I still cannot imagine what that odd grouping of characters would mean, and it seems even far fetched for pseudo Islamic script. The also very odd cartouche device is puzzling. The inscribed decoration on the blade itself seems to be very 'East European' with the trellis type motif.

This hilt however looks very much like a 'dogs head pommel ' hanger of the Netherlands c. 1650-60 ("European Weapons and Armour", E Oakeshott, 1980, plate 20,(E)
One of these similar hilts is in the Rotius painting of " The Banner of Capt. Jan Simonsz Jongemasts Town Guard of Hoorn" (1652).

There was a rather symbolic use of Ottoman devices such as the crescent and garb etc by the Dutch forces in the long revolt against Spain (1568-1648) and these 'geuzen' (also known as 'sea beggars'). This appears to be significant in the use of the crescent man in the moon symbol .
The Dutch had sought assistance from the Ottoman Sultan, but there isno evidence any ever transpired, nor were there significant contacts despite regular trade between Turkey and the Netherlands.
The theme was rather unusual for the devout Protestants as it claimed ' rather a Turk than a Papist', vehemently against the Catholicism of Spain.

While it is tempting to suggest this seemingly stylized Islamic script might be associated, it is a European blade of the period and such oblique use of this as a device in the manner of crescent etc. would not be served being hidden under the hilt. ....so who knows?

Looking forward to other possibilities.

[Philip]

Thanks for the additional pics, Andreas. Well, that throws my Arabic theory out the window, the blade seems to be of purely European design. The punched mark on the root of the tang looks Western to me as well. I checked my references on Mamluk and early Ottoman blades (on which tang markings are occasionally found) but there's nothing close. A longer inscription as you had posted originally would be found on the exposed portion of the blade on such weapons. And although a couple of the letters have a passing resemblance (hence my use of the word "stylized") , it's a matter of close but no cigar at any rate. Hopefully, somebody out there has a better idea.